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this kind of ties in to the whole morgellons thing...

my nephew was just Dx'd as having Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. It's interesting because I was just talking about that a few weeks ago, in possible relation to sleep disturbances I have had all my life. I think MY WHOLE FAMILY has at least a precursor state to morgellons. They have the milder signs/symptoms that I showed for a long time before I got really bad.

Anyway, my nephew, who also has asperger's, is now confirmed to have TLE, and his younger brother has had signs on his EEG of 'neural irritability' whatever that means.

I do think this affects the brain, slowly. I don't know that a scan would show it, possibly an MRI, but the odds of an EEG showing anything are small, Even if someone actually HAS epilepsy there is only a small chance of it occuring while the EEG is done. The MRI might show changes to blood vessels or abcess if it exists, but not certainly. I read a case of actinomycosis in the brain and one MRI missed it, while a later one picked it up. It's probably a chance thing, I wouldn't count on it, but maybe.
justumn <justumn@...

I saw my doctor today and gave him an artical about morgellons. Of
course he had naver heard of it. He was disappointed in me because I
wasn't taking the resparidin that the phyciatrist ordered for me. I
had a complete physical. I thought he would mention my many lesions,
which are obviously healing but still very evident. Plus I've had
recent bites on my stomach, but not a word. I got blood work done
and asked to be tested as well for lymne disease as well as worms.
So I've got my homework cut out for me with obtaining the samples
needed for that test. When I go back for results I wondered if it
would be worth asking for a brain scan? We are fortunate in Canada
in that it doesn't cost us anything, except waiting time.
I am taking this week off work. Because my attacks are happening at
work, It is so dificult to concentrate. I'm spending much time
trying to disinfect my house but nomatter where I go, there is
glitter. To spare me the time of washing my bedding everyday, I've
been sleeping between plastic and just disinfecting that before
going to bed. Plus spending an hour a day in the tub with all my
latest ingredients. I am not nearly as itchy as I used to be so
maybe that is helping.
goodnite all
shirley

Has anyone found anything that looks like
this..........
http://www.us-government-torture.com/Larson%20Report%20Edit.pdf

-Thank you for this wonderful report...you are braver than i to try
it internally, i shall follow your report and get back to you on
this. Thanks so much and i am delighted you are feeling better. I
agree, having my face look like it used to shape wise, makes me so
happy and overrides the efforts it takes with applying the soda. Do
you think the internal and massage would make the daily application
of each sore unnecessary? Keep up the great experiement and let us
know how its going. Ps, ive only been taking 1/4t.soda/powdered c
cause im such a fraidy cat...guess i could come on alot stronger to
this stuff. I use 5 droppers of the 8oz of silver before bed-
internally, and hold it in my mouth for about 5 minutes while i pray
for my holy:)teeth(broken fillings, several broken teeth and a
missing crown, but my gums look great)- In

I saw my doctor today and gave him an artical about morgellons. Of
course he had naver heard of it. He was disappointed in me because I
wasn't taking the resparidin that the phyciatrist ordered for me. I
had a complete physical. I thought he would mention my many lesions,
which are obviously healing but still very evident. Plus I've had
recent bites on my stomach, but not a word. I got blood work done
and asked to be tested as well for lymne disease as well as worms.
So I've got my homework cut out for me with obtaining the samples
needed for that test. When I go back for results I wondered if it
would be worth asking for a brain scan? We are fortunate in Canada
in that it doesn't cost us anything, except waiting time.
I am taking this week off work. Because my attacks are happening at
work, It is so dificult to concentrate. I'm spending much time
trying to disinfect my house but nomatter where I go, there is
glitter. To spare me the time of washing my bedding everyday, I've
been sleeping between plastic and just disinfecting that before
going to bed. Plus spending an hour a day in the tub with all my
latest ingredients. I am not nearly as itchy as I used to be so
maybe that is helping.
goodnite all
shirley

When we talk about biowarfare, aliens and intelligent life, we lose all credibility. I suggest if you hope to have any credibility, at all, when talking to the CDC, you should not verbalize those 3 things. Everyone who doesn't have Morgellons would be all to happy to label us DOP. Lets try to avoid that.

Rita

How are the webs in your pictures different from regular spider webs?
Rita

Hello everyone, I am just going to get right to it. Everyone has
pictures of their sores and the "things" Some of us has had them
tested and they cme back cellulose and fiber, we'll, I am just going
to spit it out-these things are either of another planet or it's
biowarfare. Why would they pick on people who are bi-polar, manic
depressive- for starters, no one would believe them. These things are
smart- When I first realized they were some kind of living creature- I
started cleaning immediately- vacuming and moping, at least 3 times a
day, well, when I thought I had got them, I realized they had moved to
the ceiling, I wished I had video taped the shampooing of the carpet.
Hundreds and hundreds of these white larvae looking things were being
sucked up, I was being bitten unmercifully- I couldn't discuss though-
my ex, didn't want to hear my CRAZY TALK- I honestly don't think I
have ever been so terrified and scared for my life- Why I didn't leave
fran lane right then, was because, my ex, wasn't about to leave,
because he didn't see ANY of what I saw, so I was afraid they would
kill him, so I fought them off, we did eventually move to mountain
park, and at first no signs of them, I was happy for the first time in
months, well, that didn't last- I started seeing the webs, the white
stuff, then the biting began again, and my head was unable to focus on
anything. Finally OUr problems esculated to the point he hit me, I
moved in with my parents, no signs of anything, and BOOM, the same MO
began and these things are increasing in number. I believe they are in
our clothes, food everywhere. They are eating my teeth, my
fingernails, My face, I don't believe is ever going to clear up. There
is NO GOOD REASON, Why, we are being ignored andmade out to be crazy,
but it certainly has a political smell to it. We could get the CDCs
attention, if we ALL and our friends, as many as possible, emailed or
called the CDC at the exact same time, same day, That is bound to get
their attention and let them know we are Not giving up. What they do
not realize is thee things aren't just after us- they are on a mission.
Sharon

To me, when the bottoms of our feet are black it is an indication of
poor circulation. In me, it's an intermittent thing. I noticed it at
the doctors office. Do many of you have it?
Rita

When the baking soda is done fizzing and draining the inside of an
ulcer, it is done. Until then, you are the servant of the process.
Applying the soda daily, every 24 hours...if im late, the ulcers on
my face begin to bubble up, will open, and will begin to ooze. Whats
that
about?
My guess is that ive put myself in a position i didnt know about,
partners with bodily functions i really dont want to understand. I
seem to have become a team player in my bodies fight to get this
shit out. As long as it is blocked, it must multiply and have to go
somewhere. From where ever that somewhere is...to get out, it must
pass thru systems the body uses to expell foreign objects. I am
relunctant to check my urine again, where once i found some shit in
the form of white hard plastic looking tiny objects, that under 200x
had little branches protruding all along their
length.
When i began this new adventure in my life of debriding these
creations, i had just received the microscope for mothers day. It
was my daughters idea, she taught anatomy at the university, and as
talented and respected as she is....she was unable to get me to go
watch her disect and teach. Let me brag about genes that didnt come
from me...she was honoured by being the guest dissector at a well
known establishment because she was so proficient at taking out the
brains intact. When she would tell me of her classes and what they
do to examine the wonders of how God made our bodies, i would nearly
faint.
When i began a commitment to take out the embedded sore above my lip
that had been there for 9 years, i did not imagine that it was a
morgellons creation. I began that experience by wearing a magnet
over the area, under a bandage when i slept. I looked at the area
with the pro-scope tv 200x and had a shock! I showed my daughter,
and she was alarmed and surprised. We saw amongst thinned out skin,
what appeared to be a capilliary(sp). It was a tiny long thin white
tube with red balls traveling thru it. When i pressed on it with the
microscope, the balls would reverse direction, then resume going
back the way they were going. I decided that was gross, and
proceeded to apply vinegar, peroxide, alcohal, ozonated olive oil,
and repetedly tape the area with clear packaging tape and look under
the microscope to see what kind of progress i was making. Ok, have a
good laugh. It was enough to make me think i had lost my mind. Thats
when i joined this group so i could vent, and my nightmare is
probably here in the archives somewhere. As you know by now, i use
my humor to get thru my adversions.
So, basically, what i have learned is that there are layers of
fibers and what i call sticky globs and blobs on nano thin layers of
skin. Some chemicals calm them, some feed them. Somehow, if they
come together(my uneducated theory)they create the lessions. The
lessions are under the skin and their goal is to hid and grow. But,
i think they need oxygen so they send up hairs. As i went thru the
layers of skin to get to the ulcer, it was like a playground of
various and assorted art fibers and gooy blobs under my microscope.
Gushing around in the mess were these strands with red circles
passing thru them. Once i got to the ulcer itself, all those hygincks
(sp)had been long gone in the trash. The ulcer itself was quite
frightening, bleeding and oozing, and white fibers popping up in
equal distant points in a circle around the circumfrence of the rim
of the crater or ulcer. Its behavior frigntened me more than raising
teenagers!About that time i began reading cliff mickelsons essays on
dealing and defining this shit. Well, that was scary. Then the
morgellons group starts up that makes fun of all the middle-aged
women thinking they had a problem. I had a big problem with that. I
decided to rebel, and went the way of baking soda. Thats when the
real progress began.
You asked, how deep do these go? It doesnt matter. The reason it
doesnt matter is because the playing field for this "game"is where
the "shit hits the fan". And that spot, we might call it the M spot,
for morgellons, or the Fspot for "dont f--- with me anymore," that
spot is where the baking soda gobbles this up. At first applications
it might be above the surface of the skin. To fully appreciate the
process you have to look into a 10x magnifying mirror from the
cosmetics section of walmart or the grocery store. It happens quick,
the meltdown, and you must tend to it. Removing the saturated soda,
and re-applying it eventually gets the goo out and the bottom of the
ulcer exposed. Once exposed, thats the playing field, and it never
gets deeper. From then on, when you apply the soda, whatever is
going to get removed for that session will be brought to that
surface. Cool huh? If, this stuff had traveled thru tubes and
extended into bones, and muscle, and nerves, and hooked into teeth
and gums, and beyond....well, my belief, and prayer, and perhaps
evidence of why this process takes so long...is that the soda
suctions it out all the way to the end, reverses the flow, and
brings it daily to the playing field, where it finds you faithfully
and dilligently disposing of it in the trash, by lifting it out of
the ulcer with a tool, like my trusty angled tweezers. How
pathetically scientific is that for a theory. But, hey, the proof is
in the pudding, right? When the baking soda can find no more shit to
go after, the playing field, or bottom of the ulcer begins to
flatten out and rise up, and as the rim lifts off layer by layer,
the skin is free of this tragedy, and oh...it feels so good to have
it
out!
Some of the covering on these ulcers are tricky, so i use miracle
foot aloe cream from walgreens to melt their covering for about 10
minutes to get them to open for the soda. Several i have
aggressively sanded with a battery operated spinning callus remover
from walmart foot section. Just a nick, like garderners nick a seed,
gives an opening for the cream to get things started.
Im thankful i dont know anyone who likes to self_mutalate, oh
horrors, but im pretty sure this task would not appeal to them. This
is so precise, so graceful of a removal process, that i think God
himself aids in the skill of it. I have gotten really good at this.
I have gotten over the repulsion and fear of this. But, i cant
imagine how anyone else could do this for someone else. A good set
up with the 10x mirror, and light, a good tv show, music or silence,
no one bitching at you, a peaceful mind....and somehow the setting
aside of what, where, when, how, who about this. This is about you
taking a stand, fighting back, for now that is enough.

Years ago, when I believe this started, I had what I called "sugar chest pains". Whenever I ate sweets I had chest pains. Later I was told I had rawls. Based on that and more I think all of this goes pretty deep.

Rita

Try Peroxide in you bathwater and soak for at lease an hour. I use
2, 32 once bottles of 3% Peroxide in 1/4 to a 1/2 tub of hot
water... Stings a little and makes you hair blonde but better than
cobwebs... Zip

I found the vitimin c at whole foods($10). Its a round container
with a screw off lid. I use the 1/4 teaspoon from the kitchen and
drop it in a glass of water then add the same amount of soda and
water and stir. When its done fizzing its ready. I have a favorite
drink i make thru the years which maybe is the same idea? One orange
and one half lemon, squeezed into a glass, then a bit of orange soda
pop
added.Yum.
I dont know about clarke, unless hes clark kent, in which case we
know superman has come to our rescue. Actually, i know nothing
except what i have seen on my path, and as God gives light. I have
seen the fibers in the enviorment with the blacklight, i have seen
the fibers in layers on the skin. I have uncovered the ulcers with
baking soda, softened the covers on them with miracle foot aloe
cream, disolved the contents of the ulcers with baking soda. I have
spent untold hours over the past 6 months draining these ulcers with
repeted baking soda applications. I have used the silver to protect
from infection. I have seen the silver work miracles on the dogs
skin, ear and eye
problems.
I continue to remove daily whatever is brought up from under the
facial ulcers in the space of 24 hours between applications of soda.
When the ulcers became empty holes after weeks of applications, they
remained holes for the past month. Each soda application appears to
bring forth more white oblong gooy objects that are embedded in
vertical or also sideways "tunnels". These tunnels are surrounded by
a type of matrix, also white, but like white horizontal lines. As
the matrix,objects, and rim become dissolved i lift it out in the
saturated soda, then apply more soda, ect over and over, and still
more comes out. I have memory of some of these sores first occuring
many years ago. I thought they were long gone. But, apparently they
embedded, covered over and grew unbeknownst to me. Thank God i found
out about getting them out. Almost each ulcer, when first opened,
unpon draining....created pain in one tooth or another. I didnt know
my face was swollen, but as these have drained, i see that it was. I
have no idea why or how these could connect to dental pain but they
do. In getting these out, when finally the daily draining
stops...the bottom of the ulcer is now flat with the surface of the
skin. The largest one, the first one i worked on , and learned on
last summer, had been there for 9 years. It has not returned and
feels wonderful to not have "something" stuck in
there.
Will draining all these, thru this time consuming method, make a
difference in stopping this affliction? I dont know. Once i found
them i was unable to turn back . Will this effort be an advantage
considering i now need to get many fillings repaired
Will i be marked for life with facial discolorations and
indentations? Should i feel humiliated or victorious? Do you know
anyone who has uncovered over 30 morgellons lessions that were not
presenting themselves because they remained hidden? What was my
confidence to do this? My dogs showed me, their joy, to be able to
wag their tail again, to go on the hike without a limp. So i did
this for my kids, that if they find one of these sores, it wont sit
unhealed and festering for 9 years. Im mad as hell, as they
say....what have all these children gone to school to do, if not to
learn to discover truth, and how to detect it, to declare it for the
service of others. What lab, what grant, what talents and genius,
what human heart can not raise up to overcome this, and why? Let
the conspiricy wheel spin around as it will,i will be dissolving
away to my hearts content with the baking soda. And, i dont even
know if its the sodium or the bicarbonate that effects this
creation. Gee, it might be that it eats carbon, so the bakingsoda in
the ulcer creates a feeding frenzy? Hey, hows that for a new theory?
If so grab a pepsi or two. On a morgellons research group i read
that one person counted how many of these white oblong objects they
took out of one ulcer in a 3 month time of dealing with it. Can you
guess how many? I will go look for their report. In the mean
time....here is part 2 of the advise from the silentsuperbug email
that was posted on chemtrailtrackingusa group by someone asking
about their eye
problems....
" This is the second response I got after I
wrote back to him letting
him know it was both eyes and not the lid or corner but the eye
itself.
Michelle
Hello how are you,
I write you from the EU region, that is central Europe.
In your case; just ask your GP for the itraconazole drops and if he
please
could be so kind to put you also on 200 mg itraconazole for the time
being
(or on itraconazole pulse therapy)
Its much more safe than the way you are now.
Indeed many people have eye infections in combination with what you
call
morgellons.
Its a coccidioid type bacterium that associates most with C.immitis
and R.
Seeberi (rhinospridosis)
Its not a fungus but a fungus like bacterium that actually has a full
parasitic life cycle.

Just went to the washroom.In case thats not enough information, I'd
like to share that I also have hemroid er problems. Sometimes they
bleed. No biggie. Today - not sure if it was the hemroids, but there
was alot of blood in the toilet with all these fibers. Is this
fairly common?
Also my worst experience with this disease is the cobwebs. They hang
from my hair and my nose and eyes. No, I have not actually seen them
but the feeling is like walking into a spiders web.
I am fortunate in that I do not have any face lesions. They are
mainly on my back and arms, where by the way I am sprouting such
thick hair (on my arms, not back) I'm wondering if I'll have to
bring out the lawn mower. I have chopped my nails down to the
cudicals to prevent me from scratching, and the sores are healing.
My bites are mainly coming right now in the form of tiny red holes.
They do not itch, and heal quickly. I do not have fibers coming from
the lesions. But where the skin is itchy I often see a weird looking
hair. I see them in the bath water and when I cough up phlem which
happens alot, I spit up these fibers, usually red in color.
My questions I suppose concern the fibers in the blood and what to
do about the cobwebs?

Goodness, Clarke, can you be a bit more forthcoming with the signs
that are pointing to bio terrorism, please?
And, pardon me for being dense, but are you posting here for an
infected person to work for you as an assistant?
The government already has somewhat of a database of victims for
testing purposes, so I am a bit confused.
God bless you, too.

Graviola. Rain forest herb.
From what I remember, different parts of the plant have different
uses. It is easier for a manufacturer not to include roots, fruit
and seeds, so if you purchase it, be sure they are giving you the
parts you need.

In that case... together might work fine... with my experience I waited approx 30 minutes between, but likely the OJ was still in the stomach at that time. Sounds promising. Where did you get powdered C and is it economical? ( we don't have a Trader Joe's) would it also work with lemon juice or a natural form of C? I think this is an amazing tool... I herxed for two days. Now that i'm coming out of it, I can't wait to try again. The only reason I'm still waiting is that I promised myself I'd not self treat until I had tried to get some labs done, for actinomycetes. It would ease my mind a little to know for sure if i'm on the right track or not. I still think the actual morgellons might be a separate pathogen, but opportunistic, and the actinomycetes provides the doorway. The silent superbug thing still throws me. I found, BEFORE I SAW IT, that my experience of this disease matches pretty well what was decribed in the video. The problem is that it is so vaugue, or over my
head maybe. Now I want MY blankie.

do you think this clarke guy is for real, or another sos or loony? (forgive me clarke, with all that's going on it would be crazy NOT to wonder.)
daisybaleen <daisybaleen@...

Here is where i got the info...scan down to the 14 paragraph. I have
been buying low fluoride water(ours is naturally high and damaged my
youngest childs teeth. We used bottled water for the other kids when
they were young to avoid problems...BUT, never knew all this info
til last spring. I dont know about all the info, but am enjoying
using ivory soap and a new fangled rotary toothbrush from walgreens
called dental revolution($10)..brushes both sides of tooth at the
same time. I like the powdered c/baking soda and it makes a fun fizz
when you mix it. Here is the post from the web site..
GOODBYE TO TOOTH CAVITIES! GUM INFECTION IS NOW ENDED!
by Dr. Gerard F. Judd, Ph.D., Chemistry and Fluoride Researcher
May 5, 2001
I now place in everyone's hand the complete answer to tooth
cavities. Following this procedure there will not be one more
cavity, one more gingivitis case, or one more fluorosed, brittle,
cracked tooth in the world. Bad teeth in Ireland, Canada, the USA,
Britain, Australia and New Zealand will now be curbed. The 55-year
fight with fluoride promoters (dentists) in these countries is over
since research now establishes for certain that fluoride makes the
teeth WORSE and not better (refs 1,2,3). My book, Good Teeth, Birth
to Death lays out in no uncertain terms all the detail to achieve my
claims.
I have talked to thousands of people about their teeth, many of whom
have perfect teeth. In all those cases of perfect teeth, the
practice of rinsing while eating has been the reason, and not
fluoride. I am convinced that perfect teeth have little or nothing
to do with genetics. The best way to have perfect teeth besides
staying away from greedy or incompetent dentists is to pursue the
following behavior:
1. Rinse acids off the teeth during eating (ref 4).
2. Brush the teeth with bar soap (ref 5).
3. Take calcium pills with vitamin D daily (ref 6).
4. Take monosodium phosphate daily (ref 7).
5. Take freshly made sodium ascorbate daily for gum connections
to the teeth (ref 8).
6. Dispense with the worry that bacteria harm teeth: THEY
CANNOT (ref 9).
7. Dispense with the worry that sugar destroys teeth. I find
sugar has little or nothing to do with cavities (ref 10).
8. Avoid all fluoride products. They destroy teeth, unravel
enzymes and cause 113 ailments (ref 11).
My 117-page book, Good Teeth, Birth to Death (Call 1-623-412-3955
for a copy delivered to you after which you will return $15) covers
the perfect teeth subject thoroughly including the fluoride
controversy. It is a product of thousands of hours of research.
The index alone is 41 pages.
(ref 1) J Pub Health Dentistry, Nov 1993. This article states we
have a tooth decay epidemic in the US since 42% of people over 65
years of age have no natural teeth, 44-year-olds have an average of
30 decays, 17-year-olds have an average of 11 decays, the blacks and
the poor are twice as bad as this and the American Indians have four
times the tooth trouble. American Indians have free dental care,
and have had since almost the beginning of fluoridation. If
fluoride helped prevent cavities at a rate of 80% per 15 years as
the proponents of fluoride claimed in the beginning of the early
studies of the forties, US residents would now have less than 2
cavities per person (my calculation).
(ref 2) In MediZine, V6 #2, April of 2000, the American Dental
Association again states that a dental epidemic exists and 42% of
those over 65 years of age and 25% of those over 44 years of age
have no natural teeth. They admit their ignorance as to why.
(ref 3) 4 curves representing a total of 480,000 students and
covering over 30 years of study indicate that the increasing
concentration of fluoride in drinking water from 0 to 1 ppm
increases the cavities 7, 43, 22 and 10% in Japan, Tucson, India and
the US (see GTBD, pp 44,45,46 and 49). In other words, fluoridation
about doubles cavitation from the normal (my calculation). Numerous
studies verify the fact that fluoridation of water increases
cavities.
(ref 4) Tooth enamel (essentially calcium phosphate) reacts with
all acids to form cavities (see any chemistry text dealing with
solubilities). The proton of the acid pulls the phosphate right out
of the enamel, and fast. By drinking a sip of water along with the
acid during eating, the acid reacts chemically with water
immediately to form hydronium ion and thus the enamel is saved. One
can use milk or coffee for the same purpose, since they are both non-
acidic. Dr. Albert Schatz, Nobelist who discovered streptomycin,
found several decades ago that sharks' teeth with their excessive
fluoride would dissolve just as readily in citric acid as ordinary
non-fluoridated teeth, laying to rest the hypothesis that fluoride
would stop cavities. The dental people (American Dental
Association) pushed aside this discovery and Dr. Schatz' discoveries
regarding excessive baby mortalities caused by fluoridation in
Chili, South America as insignificant. They returned his mail 3x
unopened and would not deal with him.
Some harmful acids (with pH <4) which are tart to the taste and
attack the enamel include lemons, grapefruit, oranges, pineapple,
kiwi fruit, tomatoes, vinegar, cider, vitamin C (especially
chewable) and stomach acid. The lower the pH, the more rapidly the
acids attack. Body acid (extremely weak) is insignificant in this
process. Non-acid foods such as beans, bread and potatoes have no
action on teeth. Worry about such foods is over. The only worry
about non-acid foods is if they will crack the teeth due to their
hardness. Chewing ice, unpopped corn kernels, extremely hard nuts,
bones or other hard objects is not smart, since teeth do have a
breaking strength.
(ref 5) Reenamelization of the teeth occurs when they are clean.
All toothpastes make a barrier of glycerine on the teeth which would
require 20 rinses to get it off. A good solution for clean teeth,
which I have used for 5 years, is bar soap. Wet the brush, swipe
the bar two or three times with it, then brush the teeth thoroughly
and the gums gently. Rinse with water three or four times. All
oils are washed off the teeth and the gums are disinfected. The
bacteria are killed by the soap. The teeth are then ready for
reenamelization with calcium and phosphate in the diet. The enzyme
adenosine diphosphatase delivers phosphate to the enamel surface.
Do not use liquid soaps. Their different composition is harmful to
the protoplasm.
Reenamelization is necessary on a daily basis because the enamel
leaches slightly with water as well as the bones over decades
leading to holey bones and holey teeth even in the absence of acid
attack. Without reenamelization, we could never have good teeth.
(ref 6) Calcium (1.2 g if it is the only source) with vitamin D can
be obtained from Walgreens at a very reasonable price of about 5
cents per pill. Other required vitamin and mineral requirements of
the body can be found on page 56 of GTBD. Vitamin D helps to
deliver calcium to its needed site. All acid-soluble calcium
compounds such as calcium carbonate or calcium citrate are suitable
with D. It goes without saying that calcium is necessary in
building calcium phosphate teeth.
(ref 7) Monosodium phosphate ($20./lb delivered, food grade from 1-
800-344-2047) is the best supplement for phosphate since it is very
pure and highly soluble in water. Simply take about 1/5 teaspoon (1
gram), dissolve it in 1 inch of water in less than a minute, then
fill up the glass and drink it daily. This takes care of all the
bones, teeth, DNA, RNA and at least 30 phosphate-containing enzymes
which are listed on page 53 of my GTBD book. Our bodies run on
enzymes and we are hard put to lose any of them. Even the brain
requires them. Phosphate also regulates body pH.
(ref 8) Vitamin C powder at Trader Joes is $9.99/lb. Put 1 level
tsp (4 g) in a glass, add 1/2 tsp Arm and Hammer baking soda, add 1
inch of water, let fizz, dilute to 8 oz and drink. The compound
made here is fresh sodium ascorbate. This is about 1000 x as
soluble as C, and is more reactive towards antibody and connective
tissue construction and viral destruction. Thus the gums knit back
to the teeth, avoiding any kind of oral surgery for "receding
gums." Receding gums are nothing but gum pockets caused by
toothpaste and especially fluoride, which severs all proteins
because of its highly negative character. Fluoride is the smallest
negative ion on earth, and consequently is the most intensely
negative particle on earth. As such, fluoride breaks the positive
hydrogen bonds, which hold the coils together, in proteins and
enzymes.
(ref 9) We know that bacteria have nothing to do with loss of
enamel. Witness the billions of animal and human remains in the
earth which have lost all the flesh and are reduced to tooth enamel
and bones. It is quite evident that the teeth have been through
bacterial contact but are unaffected. The same with human teeth.
They cannot be affected by bacteria, because there is no carbon or
hydrogen in enamel, which bacteria subsist on. Study of
streptococcic mutans as a source of so-called "decay" is a waste of
government funding donated to dental organizations.
(ref 10) Sugars (fructose, glucose and sucrose) were found in my
laboratory studies to be unable to dissolve calcium phosphate to any
extent, even in hot water solution. The reason for this is that
the chelation process of the sugar towards teeth is slow because of
the large size of the molecule and perhaps for the particular shape
of the chelate formed. Sugars are not the cause of tooth cavities
to any great extent, but still it will do no harm to rinse them off
the teeth after consuming candy, especially the sticky variety. The
adhering barrier will prevent reenamelization.
(ref 11) Fluoride at very low levels destroys at least 66 out of 83
enzymes (p. 53, GTBD) by uncoupling the hydrogen bond linkage
between the enzyme coils. Fluoride causes 113 known ailments (p.
54, GTBD). Ten of these were established through double blind
studies, which although noteworthy, may be of no more significance
than the individual diagnoses.
Fluoride in the gels used (inappropriately) to harden the enamel is
extremely toxic at a concentration of 13,000 ppm (1.3%). Keith
Kantor of McMinneville Oregon was killed in the dentist's chair 3
years ago by swallowing half a teaspoon of the gel. His brother
nearly died from the same treatment, but was saved by having calcium
gluconate administered to him.
Three kidney dialysis patients at the University of Chicago Medical
School were killed 3 years ago when nurses used unpurified Chicago
tap water for dialysis. Chicago water has 2 ppm fluoride in it
during the winter. Fluoridated water is lethal to dialysis
patients. Fluoride is also very harmful to the kidneys of
ordinary people.
One can look up the lethal dose of a large number of chemicals all
the way from botulinum and snake poison toxins to sugar, a non-
toxin, on pages 57and 58 of my book GTBD. It is interesting that
the lethal dosage of fluoride compound for a 50 kg man is 2.5 mg
(fluoroacetic acid), and 400 mg for arsenic oxide. Numerous people,
animals and fish on earth, especially in the U.S., have been killed
by fluoride, but very few, if any, by arsenic.
Toothpaste companies now are required to put warning signs on tubes
so children will not consume enough of the 1000 ppm (.1%) material
to make them sick or cause death. This requirement arises out of
lawsuits in which children were poisoned by fluoride-containing
toothpaste.
The best available data indicates about 120,000 cancer patients are
killed annually because of fluoride in their drinking water. These
include patients with every type of cancer. The dramatic increase
of cancer cases in the US in recent times can probably be laid
directly on the shoulders of the dentists due to their tireless
energies in converting city councils to put fluoride in the water
for "the children's teeth." They are able to do this because of
large government grants. It is irrational to believe
just "anything" in the environment causes cancer. The unique
character of fluoride ion in destroying enzymes deserves attention.
PARTIAL CREDENTIALS OF DR. JUDD:
1. Researcher in industry: 18 yrs.
2. Prof of chemistry: 33 yrs; retired professor emeritus.
3. Fluoride laboratory studies: Linde Air (atomic energy),
Purdue (phosphates and fluoroorganics), Wright Field
(fluoroorganics), Phoenix College (rapid analysis for fluoride in
water): 13 yrs.
4. Author, revised: Good Teeth Birth to Death, 117 pgs. Jan
1999.
5. Author, revised: Chemistry, Its Uses In Everyday Life, 305
pgs. July 1997.
6. Author, Self-Quizzes for Chemistry and Its Uses, 110 pgs.
July 16 1997.
7. Author, Chemical Hygiene Plan, 87 pgs. Apr 23 1998.
8. Speaker, writer, radio host, author of books.
9. Fighter for truth in practical uses of chemistry.
10. Author of Affidavit in Support of Summary Judgment Against
Fluoride.
11. Originator of "the Alcohol Cure" for viruses.
Contact:
Dr. Gerard F. Judd, Ph.D.
Chemistry Researcher, Professor, Author, and Educator
6615 West Lupine
Glendale, Arizona 85304-3136
1-623-412-3955 (Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A.)
E-mail: gfjemjpub@...
Site Map:
All the topics I discuss in my educational books and video tapes.
Answers to some frequently asked questions.
Problems and solutions grid to solve all your teeth related problems.
My list of educational books, reports and video tapes to save your
teeth.
To read my scientific, low-cost 32-point summation to end cavities,
cracked teeth and gum trouble, effective self-administered dental
care and HOW TO end government dental subsidies explained in
layman's terms, click here.

Here is where i got the info...scan down to the 14 paragraph. I have
been buying low fluoride water(ours is naturally high and damaged my
youngest childs teeth. We used bottled water for the other kids when
they were young to avoid problems...BUT, never knew all this info
til last spring. I dont know about all the info, but am enjoying
using ivory soap and a new fangled rotary toothbrush from walgreens
called dental revolution($10)..brushes both sides of tooth at the
same time. I like the powdered c/baking soda and it makes a fun fizz
when you mix it. Here is the post from the web site..
GOODBYE TO TOOTH CAVITIES! GUM INFECTION IS NOW ENDED!
by Dr. Gerard F. Judd, Ph.D., Chemistry and Fluoride Researcher
May 5, 2001
I now place in everyone's hand the complete answer to tooth
cavities. Following this procedure there will not be one more
cavity, one more gingivitis case, or one more fluorosed, brittle,
cracked tooth in the world. Bad teeth in Ireland, Canada, the USA,
Britain, Australia and New Zealand will now be curbed. The 55-year
fight with fluoride promoters (dentists) in these countries is over
since research now establishes for certain that fluoride makes the
teeth WORSE and not better (refs 1,2,3). My book, Good Teeth, Birth
to Death lays out in no uncertain terms all the detail to achieve my
claims.
I have talked to thousands of people about their teeth, many of whom
have perfect teeth. In all those cases of perfect teeth, the
practice of rinsing while eating has been the reason, and not
fluoride. I am convinced that perfect teeth have little or nothing
to do with genetics. The best way to have perfect teeth besides
staying away from greedy or incompetent dentists is to pursue the
following behavior:
1. Rinse acids off the teeth during eating (ref 4).
2. Brush the teeth with bar soap (ref 5).
3. Take calcium pills with vitamin D daily (ref 6).
4. Take monosodium phosphate daily (ref 7).
5. Take freshly made sodium ascorbate daily for gum connections
to the teeth (ref 8).
6. Dispense with the worry that bacteria harm teeth: THEY
CANNOT (ref 9).
7. Dispense with the worry that sugar destroys teeth. I find
sugar has little or nothing to do with cavities (ref 10).
8. Avoid all fluoride products. They destroy teeth, unravel
enzymes and cause 113 ailments (ref 11).
My 117-page book, Good Teeth, Birth to Death (Call 1-623-412-3955
for a copy delivered to you after which you will return $15) covers
the perfect teeth subject thoroughly including the fluoride
controversy. It is a product of thousands of hours of research.
The index alone is 41 pages.
(ref 1) J Pub Health Dentistry, Nov 1993. This article states we
have a tooth decay epidemic in the US since 42% of people over 65
years of age have no natural teeth, 44-year-olds have an average of
30 decays, 17-year-olds have an average of 11 decays, the blacks and
the poor are twice as bad as this and the American Indians have four
times the tooth trouble. American Indians have free dental care,
and have had since almost the beginning of fluoridation. If
fluoride helped prevent cavities at a rate of 80% per 15 years as
the proponents of fluoride claimed in the beginning of the early
studies of the forties, US residents would now have less than 2
cavities per person (my calculation).
(ref 2) In MediZine, V6 #2, April of 2000, the American Dental
Association again states that a dental epidemic exists and 42% of
those over 65 years of age and 25% of those over 44 years of age
have no natural teeth. They admit their ignorance as to why.
(ref 3) 4 curves representing a total of 480,000 students and
covering over 30 years of study indicate that the increasing
concentration of fluoride in drinking water from 0 to 1 ppm
increases the cavities 7, 43, 22 and 10% in Japan, Tucson, India and
the US (see GTBD, pp 44,45,46 and 49). In other words, fluoridation
about doubles cavitation from the normal (my calculation). Numerous
studies verify the fact that fluoridation of water increases
cavities.
(ref 4) Tooth enamel (essentially calcium phosphate) reacts with
all acids to form cavities (see any chemistry text dealing with
solubilities). The proton of the acid pulls the phosphate right out
of the enamel, and fast. By drinking a sip of water along with the
acid during eating, the acid reacts chemically with water
immediately to form hydronium ion and thus the enamel is saved. One
can use milk or coffee for the same purpose, since they are both non-
acidic. Dr. Albert Schatz, Nobelist who discovered streptomycin,
found several decades ago that sharks' teeth with their excessive
fluoride would dissolve just as readily in citric acid as ordinary
non-fluoridated teeth, laying to rest the hypothesis that fluoride
would stop cavities. The dental people (American Dental
Association) pushed aside this discovery and Dr. Schatz' discoveries
regarding excessive baby mortalities caused by fluoridation in
Chili, South America as insignificant. They returned his mail 3x
unopened and would not deal with him.
Some harmful acids (with pH <4) which are tart to the taste and
attack the enamel include lemons, grapefruit, oranges, pineapple,
kiwi fruit, tomatoes, vinegar, cider, vitamin C (especially
chewable) and stomach acid. The lower the pH, the more rapidly the
acids attack. Body acid (extremely weak) is insignificant in this
process. Non-acid foods such as beans, bread and potatoes have no
action on teeth. Worry about such foods is over. The only worry
about non-acid foods is if they will crack the teeth due to their
hardness. Chewing ice, unpopped corn kernels, extremely hard nuts,
bones or other hard objects is not smart, since teeth do have a
breaking strength.
(ref 5) Reenamelization of the teeth occurs when they are clean.
All toothpastes make a barrier of glycerine on the teeth which would
require 20 rinses to get it off. A good solution for clean teeth,
which I have used for 5 years, is bar soap. Wet the brush, swipe
the bar two or three times with it, then brush the teeth thoroughly
and the gums gently. Rinse with water three or four times. All
oils are washed off the teeth and the gums are disinfected. The
bacteria are killed by the soap. The teeth are then ready for
reenamelization with calcium and phosphate in the diet. The enzyme
adenosine diphosphatase delivers phosphate to the enamel surface.
Do not use liquid soaps. Their different composition is harmful to
the protoplasm.
Reenamelization is necessary on a daily basis because the enamel
leaches slightly with water as well as the bones over decades
leading to holey bones and holey teeth even in the absence of acid
attack. Without reenamelization, we could never have good teeth.
(ref 6) Calcium (1.2 g if it is the only source) with vitamin D can
be obtained from Walgreens at a very reasonable price of about 5
cents per pill. Other required vitamin and mineral requirements of
the body can be found on page 56 of GTBD. Vitamin D helps to
deliver calcium to its needed site. All acid-soluble calcium
compounds such as calcium carbonate or calcium citrate are suitable
with D. It goes without saying that calcium is necessary in
building calcium phosphate teeth.
(ref 7) Monosodium phosphate ($20./lb delivered, food grade from 1-
800-344-2047) is the best supplement for phosphate since it is very
pure and highly soluble in water. Simply take about 1/5 teaspoon (1
gram), dissolve it in 1 inch of water in less than a minute, then
fill up the glass and drink it daily. This takes care of all the
bones, teeth, DNA, RNA and at least 30 phosphate-containing enzymes
which are listed on page 53 of my GTBD book. Our bodies run on
enzymes and we are hard put to lose any of them. Even the brain
requires them. Phosphate also regulates body pH.
(ref 8) Vitamin C powder at Trader Joes is $9.99/lb. Put 1 level
tsp (4 g) in a glass, add 1/2 tsp Arm and Hammer baking soda, add 1
inch of water, let fizz, dilute to 8 oz and drink. The compound
made here is fresh sodium ascorbate. This is about 1000 x as
soluble as C, and is more reactive towards antibody and connective
tissue construction and viral destruction. Thus the gums knit back
to the teeth, avoiding any kind of oral surgery for "receding
gums." Receding gums are nothing but gum pockets caused by
toothpaste and especially fluoride, which severs all proteins
because of its highly negative character. Fluoride is the smallest
negative ion on earth, and consequently is the most intensely
negative particle on earth. As such, fluoride breaks the positive
hydrogen bonds, which hold the coils together, in proteins and
enzymes.
(ref 9) We know that bacteria have nothing to do with loss of
enamel. Witness the billions of animal and human remains in the
earth which have lost all the flesh and are reduced to tooth enamel
and bones. It is quite evident that the teeth have been through
bacterial contact but are unaffected. The same with human teeth.
They cannot be affected by bacteria, because there is no carbon or
hydrogen in enamel, which bacteria subsist on. Study of
streptococcic mutans as a source of so-called "decay" is a waste of
government funding donated to dental organizations.
(ref 10) Sugars (fructose, glucose and sucrose) were found in my
laboratory studies to be unable to dissolve calcium phosphate to any
extent, even in hot water solution. The reason for this is that
the chelation process of the sugar towards teeth is slow because of
the large size of the molecule and perhaps for the particular shape
of the chelate formed. Sugars are not the cause of tooth cavities
to any great extent, but still it will do no harm to rinse them off
the teeth after consuming candy, especially the sticky variety. The
adhering barrier will prevent reenamelization.
(ref 11) Fluoride at very low levels destroys at least 66 out of 83
enzymes (p. 53, GTBD) by uncoupling the hydrogen bond linkage
between the enzyme coils. Fluoride causes 113 known ailments (p.
54, GTBD). Ten of these were established through double blind
studies, which although noteworthy, may be of no more significance
than the individual diagnoses.
Fluoride in the gels used (inappropriately) to harden the enamel is
extremely toxic at a concentration of 13,000 ppm (1.3%). Keith
Kantor of McMinneville Oregon was killed in the dentist's chair 3
years ago by swallowing half a teaspoon of the gel. His brother
nearly died from the same treatment, but was saved by having calcium
gluconate administered to him.
Three kidney dialysis patients at the University of Chicago Medical
School were killed 3 years ago when nurses used unpurified Chicago
tap water for dialysis. Chicago water has 2 ppm fluoride in it
during the winter. Fluoridated water is lethal to dialysis
patients. Fluoride is also very harmful to the kidneys of
ordinary people.
One can look up the lethal dose of a large number of chemicals all
the way from botulinum and snake poison toxins to sugar, a non-
toxin, on pages 57and 58 of my book GTBD. It is interesting that
the lethal dosage of fluoride compound for a 50 kg man is 2.5 mg
(fluoroacetic acid), and 400 mg for arsenic oxide. Numerous people,
animals and fish on earth, especially in the U.S., have been killed
by fluoride, but very few, if any, by arsenic.
Toothpaste companies now are required to put warning signs on tubes
so children will not consume enough of the 1000 ppm (.1%) material
to make them sick or cause death. This requirement arises out of
lawsuits in which children were poisoned by fluoride-containing
toothpaste.
The best available data indicates about 120,000 cancer patients are
killed annually because of fluoride in their drinking water. These
include patients with every type of cancer. The dramatic increase
of cancer cases in the US in recent times can probably be laid
directly on the shoulders of the dentists due to their tireless
energies in converting city councils to put fluoride in the water
for "the children's teeth." They are able to do this because of
large government grants. It is irrational to believe
just "anything" in the environment causes cancer. The unique
character of fluoride ion in destroying enzymes deserves attention.
PARTIAL CREDENTIALS OF DR. JUDD:
1. Researcher in industry: 18 yrs.
2. Prof of chemistry: 33 yrs; retired professor emeritus.
3. Fluoride laboratory studies: Linde Air (atomic energy),
Purdue (phosphates and fluoroorganics), Wright Field
(fluoroorganics), Phoenix College (rapid analysis for fluoride in
water): 13 yrs.
4. Author, revised: Good Teeth Birth to Death, 117 pgs. Jan
1999.
5. Author, revised: Chemistry, Its Uses In Everyday Life, 305
pgs. July 1997.
6. Author, Self-Quizzes for Chemistry and Its Uses, 110 pgs.
July 16 1997.
7. Author, Chemical Hygiene Plan, 87 pgs. Apr 23 1998.
8. Speaker, writer, radio host, author of books.
9. Fighter for truth in practical uses of chemistry.
10. Author of Affidavit in Support of Summary Judgment Against
Fluoride.
11. Originator of "the Alcohol Cure" for viruses.
Contact:
Dr. Gerard F. Judd, Ph.D.
Chemistry Researcher, Professor, Author, and Educator
6615 West Lupine
Glendale, Arizona 85304-3136
1-623-412-3955 (Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A.)
E-mail: gfjemjpub@...
Site Map:
All the topics I discuss in my educational books and video tapes.
Answers to some frequently asked questions.
Problems and solutions grid to solve all your teeth related problems.
My list of educational books, reports and video tapes to save your
teeth.
To read my scientific, low-cost 32-point summation to end cavities,
cracked teeth and gum trouble, effective self-administered dental
care and HOW TO end government dental subsidies explained in
layman's terms, click here.

Welcome

Please give us more info. Some here may be interested in applying for the position. What would the position pay and what would be expected of applicants? What are the educational requirements?

What is your full name and address? Where would this investigation take place?

Who did you receive your grants from? What were their titles and grant numbers? Would the applicants pay come from a grant? Very specificly, which grant? If you give us the specifics we can investigate much of this, online. Thank you for your interest.

Please give much more info. Again, Welcome.

Rita

im clarke im in atl right now been having meetings with the cdc myself
and a few other scientist across the country have been contracted to do
research to get to the bottom of this disease.any info you feel free in
helping me to research would be greatly appreciated i have a few people
have already offered me help in this terrible disease.i have been given
government grants for the purposes of this research and will like to
hire a research assistant.any and all info from time of itching to
lesions will be very helpful.i had a close friend take his life cause
of this disease so im very determined in finding a cure.all signs point
to bio-terroism so please help.ill continue monitoring the post board.
god bless
clarke

I bought a pound of gaviola from the good folks at Raintree and make my own capsules. I did not have the aches like you guys have, but I do now. I think I'm herxing from the gaviola. I think it is going deep into my tissues and ridding me of the organism. Perhaps you guys can find some relief in this. All the best, Barbara

Dana

I don't know the why of it but very Morgellons literate MDs or RNs (Raphael Stricker & GingerSavely are very LL) tend to be Lyme Literate MDs or RNs probably because having chronic Lyme can bring you to Morgellons, diagnosed or undiagnosed. Of the group of Morgellons patients tested, 94% had Lyme. There are, probably, a few causes of Morgellons but Lyme is definitely involved in some.

I've said previously that I believe my former, now retired, LLMD knew about Morgellons.

Rita

I am still working on a post explaining the course of the disease I have had and why this will treat it. It is based on science but without a lab I have had to rely only on symtpoms to tell me what is going on. It had been difficult because I didn't understand at first that an exacerbation of symtpoms will come with a cure as well as something that makes you worse, the differences are subtle. I beleive my disease is the same as morgellons, but some of you may not. I will post it when I have finished, but the important part is that I think this plan for attack will really work, and I know why. I hope it helps.

Here it is:

1) treat underlying conditions, dental and medical that could be sources of reinfection.

2) guaifenesin everday. sometimes I replace my guai with bronkaid, which is guai and ephedrine, when I can't breathe. I am not reccomending ephedrine as it can be dangerous, but it reduces swelling by consricting blood vessels and makes you FEEL better. Risk is up to you. It SEEMS to help the material embedded in skin and sinuses come out faster, likely because it is thermogenic. It may actually be counterproductive for those with sclerotic or tight tissues in the legs, or vascular issues in the legs, it might decrease circulation beyond a safe point. Do your homework and decide.

3) antibiotics and silver. Silver Solutions 1 tsp sublingually every hour while awake. Tetracycline is available OTC at petsmart. The brand name is Marcel, look at ingredients to insure it's the right product, for tetracycline hydrochloride. The dosage is 2 tablets 2 to 4 times daily, or 1 to 2 grams daily split into 2 or 4 equal doses. You can't take it at the same time as the baking soda, so I'd say 2 doses.

4)Take vitamin c, whatever form, lemon juice will work fine. Wait thirty minutes to an hour and take two teaspoons of baking soda dissolved in water. This can be repeated daily, probably not more than that, at first. Later it may not need to repeated more often than every 2 to 3 days. With the guai, this version of Salt/c is more effective and doesn't require as much salt.

5) Add baking soda to skin lotion or use as daisy suggested all over in the shower to start dissolving the deposits and begin the puging process. You will notice that under the sores are pockets of fluid/granules/fibers that must be purged. They may not be apparent from the start because they are hardened and feel like subcutaneous lumps mostly, until they start to dissolve from the inside as the guai and modified salt/c do their jobs, then the sinuses and channels become obvious. This stuff must come out. The granulous deposits will eventually reinfect you as they contain the pathogens if you don't purge them, even after treatment with Abx.

6)low carb non dairy diet. no sugar, low carbs, no dairy. Some sinuses drain, (or originate if I am correct in some of the cases) into the gi tract/colon. We have to stop feeding them. Fasting for a day while drinking plenty of water and doing the guai/salt/C will clean that out, and may be periodically necessary for those with more GI symtpoms. It will suck. Do it anyway.

7) Sauna at home. heat and moisture promote cutaneous draining, which is what we want rather than internal drianing to organs where damage is done. First, you must be warm, flushed and slightly too warm is best, but not so much you can't stand it. You should be warm enough that your hands and feet feel warm, so turn the heater up (this is where the ephedrine has come in handy for me at times.) Lube up with a Salicylate-free oil (guaisupport has a list of them) and massage it in really well. Soda can be applied on top this or mixed with oil for a second coat. First let the oil soften things up. Aloe would be good too, but I think it might block the guai, have to check. Then stand in the steam from the shower and massage any hard or tight places until they drain. Oil can be re-applied as needed. Follow with a shower and antimicrobial soap. Pack any open lesions with gauze soaked in silver.

I'm still on the fence about whether it should be a botanical or mineral oil. I think mineral, because of the interference with the guai with botanicals, and the possibility of a botanical actually becoming a medium for bacteria to grow in. The drawback is that it takes a LONG TIME to rinse off. If you can stand it, sweating most of it off is the best way.

For those with heart problems, BE CAREFUL. THIS IS NOT WITHOUT RISK. Drink PLENTY of fluids while you do this and be wary of signs of overheating or cardiac/vascular issues. This IS necessary. The risk of remaining ill is much worse. We have all seen how the lesions remain dormant only to reappear if the contents are not fully purged. These sinuses run all through us, you just don't feel them unless they are swollen or draining. They run through muscles, skin, and joints, as well as the trunk inside the peritoneum. Wherever you have pain or discomfort, you have sinuses. I know this to be true for me, and if your disease sounds like mine, it's true for you as well.

8) fenbendazole or diflucan will be necessary, once every two weeks maybe, patram, you'd know better than I, to cover against yeast taking up residence in those same sinuses, and fenben would cover the possibility of parasites for those who beleive they have them in the sinuses. I don't think I do. But some might. It's still necessary to protect against fungal with all those open sores and antibiotics it's almost a given if we don't go ahead and prevent it.

9) niacin, massage, and exercise will help to promote circulation and break up deposits of granules in the tissues. Niacin causes flushing of the skin and must be taken with lots of water. It seems to help, though. Using a vibrating massager placed against the bone will help to break up deposits deep in the tissues. For example, against the elbow so that it vibrates the entire bone in the forearm, will bring up deposits in the deeper tissues and help them emerge cutaneously.

This treatment is going to make you feel worse at first. I have periodically felt like I was having a heart attack, about to vomit, couldn't breathe etc, as stuff drained. Itching and movement under the skin increases due to draining and blood supply returning to places it was compromised. Keep in mind that the bad means it is working. It tends to come in cycles. You'll get a feeling for them, it will get better fast. I think. I don't know, the main thing, the guia, I have been doing off and on for two years and daily for months, so it may take longer for those who are starting that, but I doubt it will be too long. I'm three or four months into daily guai, and a lot of things are better, legs don't feel like marble anymore, less lumps, etc... with all combined it should be an effective cure.

the marshal protocol may be necessary for some, after this one has done it's job, to address CWD bacteria.

Rita, I don't know how chronic lyme fits into this, maybe you do?

I am going to try those suggestions. I am doing some of it, however
many things I am not. Thank you so much for sharing. How long have
you had Morgellon's and do you know how you may have contracted it?
Belinda

Janet, was that you that said you were limping? I woke up this morning
after all the pressure drained out of my head/chest last night and it
had moved to my hips and down one leg. For the last month or so, the
morgies seemed to be gone from my legs. The tissues had stopped
swelling and bruising and the skin and muscles didn't feel tight and
hard anymore, and no lesions on either of them for awhile. Then today,
I woke up and couldn't bend one knee more than 10 degrees or so. It
feels like there is a pocket of fluid behind it that prevents me from
bending it, because it hurts. I am definitely limping. Is that what you
experienced or different?

I used to rub myself down with triple action gold bond lotion after
the bath.
They do not like eucalyptus and menthol.
I even rubbed cheap mouthwash into my scalp. Dulls the hair a lot,
but gives it body.
Never tried the vinigar.

For me there are shades of fatigue, like shades of grey...

There is a mild to moderate tiredness that leaves me feeling like not doing much but still functional, this lasts days or weeks and comes and goes when the other symptoms do, first to arrive and last to go. Sometimes sleep more than usual or take a nap when this happens, but mostly it doesn't keep me in bed all day.

Then there is a sudden drugged feeling of sleepiness and confusion. Usually if I haven't been good, diet-wise. This kind feels like I have no choice but to sleep and I couldn't wake up if the house were on fire. It lasts a few hours, 2 or 3, then I'm fine again.

Then there is the body exhaustion feeling. This is more difficult to describe. Any or all of my musles feel weak and burn like I have used them to the point of overexertion, constantly. It feels like when you are doing aerobics and the instructor says, "just two more, FEEL THE BURN" Mostly it affects my legs and abdominal/diaphragm/chest wall muscles that I use to breathe. I usually feel breathless and shaky when this hits. Have trouble raising my arms over my head, like to put away dishes in the cabinet, because I feel weak and dizzy. Once I fell in the shower while trying to shampoo my hair because of it, just passed out and fell as I raised my arms. Sometimes it's so bad I can't walk to my son's room to tuck him in at night without having to rest and sit down for awhile. Not sure what this is, Whatever it is it's transient, lasting an hour or so at a time. (usually goes away about the time I've finally made up my mind to go to the hospital, which figures.)

ritainthelibrary <ritainthelibrary@...

Those of you who have Morgellons fatigue... How bad is it? Is it a
minor thing or an intermittent - keep you in bed all day - kind of
thing?
Rita

Soaking in an Apple Cider Vinegar and water bath quiets the biting.

Rita

I associate my fatique with herxing and some days I fell like staying
in bed...

My attacks come mostly at nite which is also the time that I am at
work. Spend at least 2 to 4 hours scratching, clawing, swinging at
swarms of insects, and cobwebs, examining body parts for glitter,
bites and fuzz. Chewing furballs sprinkled with pepper (this could
be imaginary)and walking around like I have crotch itch, which I do.
When I sit down, I feel like I'm on a boat and I'm riding the waves,
the ripples are moving that much in my butt. (just slight
exageration)
Anyone else get that feeling?
Now I'm pissed off and ready to fight. So I asked my guy friend what
on earth is wrong with him? That I seriously have concerns about the
kind of person (him) that hangs out with someone like me that seems
rather deranged. But as per usual, he wasn't listening. Thank god
for small mercies.
So I am now taking my fight to the morgies. They have been scrubbed
and scrapped to within an inch of my life. Soaked in hydrogen
peroxide and salts. I've started feeding them garlic pills , and a
number of other goodies. I have not given them any treats like
carbohydrates, sugar, cafeine. Actually all they are getting is
fish, chicken and vegetables.
The last couple of days have actually been pretty good. And if that
doesn't last, I have some other tricks up my sleeve to fight the
little buggers. I live in Winnipeg, Canada where we are enjoying
some seriously cold weather. I'm thinking of sticking my head in a
snow bank and see how they like the cold rather then the warm
recesses of my mind. After that my butt goes in. If that doesn't
work, it will help me take my mind off those tiny shits.
I'll keep you updated, and am open to suggestions.
Thanks to all of you for the wonderfull information on this site.

See the Homepage of this site... There is a doctor listed that will
treat you himself and well give you referrals.... Zip

Happy birthday Sandy...i join you in those feelings, i hate this so
much, it takes so much time, and my brain wants to do something more
fun. But, alas we are living and learning and with Gods help more and
more clarity will come. I imagine myself laughing and saying...oh, is
that all it was...how stupid, boring and dumb(i like to be rude,
critisize, and hurt tiny ITS feelings). If i could, i would hand you
this book thru the puter... by michael crichto...prey. You cannot
believe how this story applies to this bizarre affliction, but, for
the time reading it, at least ITS in the book, and we can forget about
things like that being real. Hey gal, keep the faith, and thanks for
being in this group, and all your contributions, from the fish oil
experiement to the invitation to the uk group(hope my memory is
correct). Let us work on this today, and you go have some fun to spite
and inspite of this shit.Tomorrow, post the fun thing you did for your

Cathdan, the medical profession as a whole has pretty much abandoned us. There are a few trying to help. I've been to 9 docs and they don't have a clue!!! Its very expensive and frustrating to continue seeking a doc who cares. I started healing and feeling hope when I joined the Morg forums on the internet. We know how to helps ourselves far more then the docs. All the best, Barbara
cathdan59 <cathdan59@...

My mother has had this disease since May 2006. She is trying to find
a doctor anywhere in the country that will help her. Does anyone know
of a trustworthy doctor that can help?

Happy Birthday Sandra, I'm soooo sorry you are having a crappy day. Special days are always especially trying for us. Try to be patient dear, the fenben etc., is probably causing you to purge. Our symptoms get worse, when we do something they don't like. All the best (Birthday and healing), Barbara
sandra white <sanwhite409@...

Today is my birthday,and I feel like crap. I have been taking the salt, vit.c and even antibiotics for months now,but not helping much.I have a very bad outbreak on my face and scalp at this time,as well as a lot of crawling and biting activity. I know I have only been dealing with this shit for a year,but it seems like 10 YEARS!!!. I am SOOO sick of dealing with this baffling disease. I know we all want answers and I pray that we get some soon.btw. also taking fenbendazole. nothing seems to be helping me.Sandy.

My mother has had this disease since May 2006. She is trying to find
a doctor anywhere in the country that will help her. Does anyone know
of a trustworthy doctor that can help?

Today is my birthday,and I feel like crap. I have been taking the salt, vit.c and even antibiotics for months now,but not helping much.I have a very bad outbreak on my face and scalp at this time,as well as a lot of crawling and biting activity. I know I have only been dealing with this shit for a year,but it seems like 10 YEARS!!!. I am SOOO sick of dealing with this baffling disease. I know we all want answers and I pray that we get some soon.btw. also taking fenbendazole. nothing seems to be helping me.Sandy.

Those of you who have Morgellons fatigue... How bad is it? Is it a
minor thing or an intermittent - keep you in bed all day - kind of
thing?
Rita

Stop super-germs in their tracks with one powerful silver bullet
By Jonathan V. Wright, M.D.
Vol. 13, Issue 8 September 2006 NUTRITION & HEALING
Dr. Jonathan V. Wright's
SARS. Avian flu. These and
other big-time bugs called
"super-germs" are making
headlines almost on a daily basis.
People are scared, and rightly so.
Super-germs mutate so quickly
that antibiotics are virtually
useless against them: As soon as
an effective one is created, the
germ mutates, and the antibiotic
becomes obsolete. The same is
true of many vaccines.
But there's no need to feel
defenseless because these mutating
germs have finally met their match.
And it's been right under our noses
all along. It's colloidal silver.
Colloidal silver just might be
the next germ-fighting wonder
drug. And not just for the serious
threats making headlines: It's also
effective against bacterial infections
like strep throat, viruses like the
flu, and fungal infections like
Candida. No matter how much a
germ mutates, it can't change
enough to escape the damaging
effects of colloidal silver. And in the
process, the silver doesn't harm
human tissue or kill off the good
bacteria in the intestine the way
antibiotics and other medications do.
Battling America's
No. 1 health crisis
From 1900 to 1940, medical
doctors in the U.S. used colloidal
and other small-particle silver
preparations intravenously to cure
otherwise fatal infections. But then
sulfa medications, penicillin, and
other patented antibiotics were
introduced and initially "worked
like gangbusters." Since silver
preparations were unpatentable,
they predictably fell into disuse
and were even criticized as "oldfashioned"
and "ineffective" by
proponents of the patented
competitors. Some even claimed
that even a little bit of silver is
dangerous for your health. (I guess
they didn't realize that silver is a
normal part of our diets: Whole
wheat and mushrooms are just
two of the sources that contain
relatively large amounts of silver.)
But all living things, from
microbes to men, resist being
killed. So after the first two to three
decades of being killed off easily,
bacteria have developed enough
resistance to patented antibiotics
that doctors are beginning to get
worried again. Patented antifungal
medications aren't working as well
as they did at first either, and the
number of effective patented antiviral
medications has always been
very small. Now the situation is
spiraling out of control.
To get an idea of the magnitude
of the super-germ problem, take a
look at the progression over the
years. According to Newsweek,
during 1992 at least 13,000 hospital
patients died from drug-resistant
infections despite being treated with
antibiotics. But just one year later,
super-germs raised the death toll to
70,000.1 As a result, in 1994 the
Centers for Disease Control declared
super-germs to be America's No. 1
health crisis.2 Since that time, the
number has skyrocketed to 2
million Americans per year who
suffer from hospital-based supergerm
infections.3
While patent medication
companies pour billions of dollars
into developing patentable "space
alien" molecules costing hundreds
of dollars per prescription, others
are calling for a re-examination of
silver's ability to treat infections
of all kindsbacterial, fungal,
and viralapparently without
inducing resistance.
A family of germ-fighting metals
For several years, scientists
have been looking closely at silver
as the best candidate to thwart the looming epidemic of supergerms.
Back in the 70s, a researcher reported on the germ-fighting
power of silver. He said, "Thanks to eye-opening research, silver
is emerging as a wonder of modern medicine. An antibiotic kills
perhaps a half-dozen different disease organisms, but silver kills
some 650. Resistant strains fail to develop. Moreover, silver is
virtually non-toxic."4
Silver belongs to the family of metals that also includes copper
and gold (both of which can also have numerous health benefits
when they're used properly). One of the primary concerns
people tend to have about using these metals is the risk that
they'll accumulate in the body and lead to heavy metal toxicity.
But if you have plenty of antioxidants in your diet, such as
selenium,
vitamin E, and amino acids like N-acetyl cysteine, you're safe
from any harmful effects from this family of metals. Germs,
however, are not.
Once a germ has entered human cells, it becomes more
difficult for drugs to attack the infection without also becoming
toxic to those cells. But according to a research study published
in the European Journal of Biochemistry, silver (and the other
metals in this family) bring about a key reaction within the body's
defense system: the production of hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen
peroxide is lethal to germs, but it's not harmful to healthy human
tissues when they're protected by plenty of antioxidants.5
The secret to silver's success
Although researchers have known of silver's germ-fighting
effects for decades, it wasn't until 2000 that scientists finally
understood why it worked so well. But first, it's important to
understand antibiotics' Achilles' heel. Although germs have three
vulnerable targets, any single antibiotic can attack only one of
them at a time: (1) the germ's outer membrane, (2) its internal
components, or (3) its delicate gene pool. When a germ becomes
resistant to an antibiotic, it has learned how to fortify the
specific
target that the antibiotic attacks. You'd have to take several
antibiotics to attack all of the germ's targets simultaneously.
But that sets the stage for further problems. Taking multiple
antibiotics just increases the odds of wiping out enough friendly
bacteria to allow an infection by various fungi (including Candida
and other yeast). And in place of the friendly bacteria, "resistant"
bacteria set up camp, including the infamous, but all-too-common,
hospital residentsstaph aureus and clostridia.
Antibiotics obviously don't have what it takes to nip these
super-bugs in the bud. But that's where colloidal silver comes in.
Silver attacks all three of the germ's vulnerable targets at once.
First, the silver ions easily rupture a germ's outer membrane
when present in the right amounts, causing the germ's vital
internal components to be exposed in the bloodstream to our white
blood cells. While the white blood cells attack the internal
components, the micro-particulate silver continues to destroy
these vital internal components by cutting up vital enzymes.
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NAH_SEPT06 8/3/06 3:41 PM Page 2
The silver ions then easily attack
the germ's third vulnerable target:
its delicate gene pool. Silver ions
have the ability to reach into the
nucleus of the germ, where its gene
pool is located. Once they combine
with the genes, the genes become
paralyzed, and the germ cannot
replicate itself.6
Gearing up for a war on viruses
But silver doesn't stop at fighting
bacteriait also targets fungal
infections, such as athlete's foot and
Candida, as well as viruses, such as
the flu, upper respiratory infections,
strep throat, and even HIV.
As I mentioned earlier, one of the
biggest problems with fighting off
germswhether they be bacteria,
viruses, or fungiis keeping the
body's cells safe and unharmed in the
process. When a virus enters your
body, it has to attach itself to your
body's cells in order to live, and it
actually uses those cells to help
reproduce itself. They're so
intertwined that it's impossible to
kill off the virus without killing
your body's cells in the process.
Because of that, your immune
system is basically on its own when
it comes to fighting a virus after it
has entered your body. It does this
by creating antibodies that will kill
that specific virus and will keep it
from coming back again. One
mainstream medical solution is to
get a vaccine of the specific virus
(such as small pox or the measles)
before you contract it. That will
cause your body to build up
antibodies to the virus and prevent
you from contracting the real thing.
But that's not the only medical
solution. There are a few somewhateffective
patent medications, though
they're laden with side effects. Look
up "amantadine" and "acyclovir"
for example, or some of the patent
medications used against HIV.
Once again, the problem occurs
when the virus itself changes. Take
the flu, for example. The flu is one
of the most common viruses that
we face every year. But it's hard to
stay ahead of it because new strains
are always developing that are
different from the ones that vaccines
have been developed to treat. Many
flu vaccines are a classic example of
"fighting the last war" over again,
instead of the present one. Each
year it becomes increasingly more
clear that what we really need is a
broad-spectrum antiviral agent.7
Which brings us once again to
colloidal silver.
A number of emerging medical
studies confirm the antiviral properties
of silver ions both in the
laboratory and in real human
studies against some of the most
formidable viral organisms, including
HIV and herpes.8-10 A study in 1991
showed that both zinc and silver
ions strongly inhibited HIV
infection.11 In 1993, the Washington
Post cited laboratory tests showing
that a new Japanese silver ion
powder actually destroyed both
HIV and herpes.12 And when silver
is tied to oxygen, it can actually
electrocute the germwhich has
turned out to be a powerful new
way to destroy viruses.13
Beginning in the 1970s, several
independent researchers found that
silver ions easily destroy Candida
and other fungi.14-16 But it wasn't
until a pilot study during the mid-
1990s that included human patients
suffering from terminal AIDS that
medical researchers established
solid evidence showing just how
quick and effective silver ions can
be in the treatment of Candida as
well as HIV.
In this study, nine individuals who
were near death were divided into
two subgroups. One group suffered
from HIV and a terrible Candida
infection. The other group suffered
from both HIV and an extreme form
of malnutrition (known as Wasting
Syndrome). The researchers found
that in both groups the colloidal
silver was capable of killing pathogens
and purging the bloodstream of
germ defenses in order to restore
the immune system.17
One of the most exciting aspects
of this study is the positive effect
colloidal silver had on the severe
blood disorders present in AIDS.
For example, it is well known that
certain populations of immune cells
called CD4 cells (a type of white
blood cell) are greatly altered and
deficient in people who have AIDS.
Although silver ions may initially
cause a person's blood cell counts to
drop, the deficiency in the CD4 cells
is corrected within 24 to 72 hours.
This is called the "rebound effect."
As far back as 1916, researchers
found that silver-based drugs
increased the numbers of immune
cells called leucocytes, while at the
same time checking Staphylococcus
septicemia, a severe and often lethal
blood infection. After an initial
decrease in red and white blood
cells, silver ions caused a rapid
increase in both types.19,20 But it
wasn't until 2001 that a single pilot
study reported in the Clinical
Practice of Alternative Medicine
showed that high concentrations of
a certain kind of colloidal silver had
the same results: at first, a dramatic
and sharp decrease of the good
blood cells, but then a rebound
effect rapidly kicked in and resulted
in total blood cell recovery.21
Another feature of certain immune
cells that is vital to destroying germs
is the ability of those cells to
swallow and digest them. How fast
or how slow these immune cells
carry out this vital defensive action
is called the phagocytic index. In
1909, the Journal of the American
Medical Association was the first
medical journal to point out that
colloidal silver could actually increase
our immune cells' phagocytic index.22,23
In the past few years, more atudies
have shown that silver ions greatly
enhance the essential second part of
the phagocytic indexthe part where
the germ is digested by our immune
cells. This is brought about because
silver ions increase the "digesting
juices" (what you know as hydrogen
peroxide) of these immune cells.
Pint-sized particles duke it out
with the Goliath of germs
The smaller the size of the silver
particle, the more likely it is to kill
germs. Previously, the smallest
silver particle preparations were
between 14 and 26 nanometers.
(A nanometer is one billionth of a
meter.) But more recently, many
natural medicine clinics and
physicians have been working with a
preparation of silver that has a
confirmed uniform particle size of
0.8 nanometers. It's called Argentyn
23. When this 0.8-nanometer-sized
silver is used intravenously by
physicians, it's often called
"UPOSH," which is short for
"ultraparticulate uniform picoscalar
silver hydrosol." (Another 0.8-
nanometer form that's available overthe-
counter is called Sovereign Silver.
It's 10 parts per million, while
Argentyn 23 and "UPOSH" are 23
parts per million.)
At 0.8 nanomters, the silver
particles in Argentyn 23 and Sovereign
Silver are tiny enough to be readily
absorbed in your stomach, so they can
easily penetrate into germs when
properly delivered in the right
amounts. Another benefit of quick
absorption is that it protects the good
bacteria in your digestive system. In
contrast, as antibiotics travel deep into
the intestinal tract, they destroy the
protective bacteria that reside there,
often causing diarrhea and yeast
infections in the process.
If you feel an infection coming
on, try taking 1 teaspoon (5 ccs) of
Argentyn 23 every 15 to 60 minutes
on an empty stomach seven or more
times daily. Or, if you decide to take
Sovereign Silver instead, take 2
teaspoons each time since it's a
"weaker" solution. Of course, it's
always a good idea to check with
your doctor about what might be
right for your particular circumstances.
But the sooner you start
taking it in the course of an infection,
the better its chances of working
quickly. You can use the silver
treatment while taking other antiinfection
and immune-boosting
agents, such as vitamin C, vitamin A,
Echinacea, and many others, but you
shouldn't take them at the same time
because the silver absorbs best on an
empty stomach.
Although these tiny quantities of
silver are very safe for humans, you
should still stop the treatment once
the infection is gone. Long-term use
of very large doses of silver can
cause a bluish discoloration of the
skin called argyria.
Occasionally, colloidal silver can
be so effective that the immune
system can't handle the rapid dying
off of microorganisms. This excess
die-off could produce symptoms
called Jarisch-Herxheimer effects
(JHEs), more commonly called
Herxheimer reactions. Symptoms
can include mild to moderate
headaches, joint pain, sweating,
nausea, flulike symptoms without
fever, malaise, a red rash, skeletal
pain, and itching. Less common
symptoms include chills, diarrhea
(typically of short duration),
vomiting of short duration, and
fever. Keep in mind, though, that
these symptoms are actually an
indication that the treatment is
working. If you experience
Herxheimer reactions, stop taking
the treatment for 24 to 48 hours
and then resume at a lower dose.
And as always, consult your doctor
if any unexpected symptoms occur.
Argentyn 23 and Sovereign Silver
are available from health care practitioners,
natural food stores,
compounding pharmacies, and the
Tahoma Clinic Dispensary. (See
"Resources," page 8.) I am not
connected with the manufacturers of
Argentyn 23 or Sovereign Silver.

-Since im focused on removing these lessions with baking soda, and i
see how it penetrates thru the covering that seals the contents, and
dilutes the contents...thus opening up the pores......i would be
very interested to know if you have ever soaked your feet in baking
soda and distilled water? Also have you ever rubbed organic aloe gel
into the skin to open pores? Thanks for the info, God bless you on

Hi there! Finally someone has mentioned the same problem I have had for years. I have suffered with huge swollen feet and legs with cherry red cellulitis which also turns black when it gets real bad. The pain is beyond my capacity to think. Unfortunately after 10 to 20 doctors I am no better and they have no idea what to do with me. I do get some relief from antibiotics for a short time and if I lay down with my feet up and wear compression stockings. I'm so sorry to say tho, that this is all they ever do, I can't seem to get rid of it. Have also been told I have venous stasis. If I ever find a "cure" I will post. Take care. My wife and I think of all of you often.
jaredsmom91 <jaredsmom91@...

a doc here in palm springs ca gave me docycline last year for the sores
on my face and throat that just were not the pimples that they looked
like. made me very sick and my feet swelled turned purple and black,
after a couple of weeks the top layers of my skin fell off. months
later was treated for scabies even though i dont think the doc felt i
really needed anything since he didnt't even do a scraping.the man i
live with has the same thing but is so much in denile that he wont tlk
except to tell me I'm crazy. I cant work at my chosen profession of
dealing cards anymore after 21 years of being a black jack dealer
becouse my hands dont want to work right. also who wants to leave the
house with sores all over their face and body. think im driving myself
crazy and anymore it is a very short trip what next the loony bin? Not
sure cdc will find anything or admit it if it does. some of the
symtoms are gout like .has any body heard of uremic frost

a doc here in palm springs ca gave me docycline last year for the sores
on my face and throat that just were not the pimples that they looked
like. made me very sick and my feet swelled turned purple and black,
after a couple of weeks the top layers of my skin fell off. months
later was treated for scabies even though i dont think the doc felt i
really needed anything since he didnt't even do a scraping.the man i
live with has the same thing but is so much in denile that he wont tlk
except to tell me I'm crazy. I cant work at my chosen profession of
dealing cards anymore after 21 years of being a black jack dealer
becouse my hands dont want to work right. also who wants to leave the
house with sores all over their face and body. think im driving myself
crazy and anymore it is a very short trip what next the loony bin? Not
sure cdc will find anything or admit it if it does. some of the
symtoms are gout like .has any body heard of uremic frost

I'm going to keep this very brief -- computer crashes
(this particular computer)...Since having gone through
that stuff that had the glitter on it, my hand has
been hurting. Also, have been limping a lot (but that
seems to sometimes happen post-Lyme, likely because
the dumb cluck drs. refused to give me antibiotics for
Lyme until I had started limping. (The swollen neck
and bullseye rash days later weren't enough!)

If i could choose only one tool to fight this with....it would be
the Sovereign Silver i used first to help my dogs. Their ulcers
erroded with daily applications, it cleared up their eyes, ears, and
i gave it to them internally, and it stopped their incontinance.
Because it worked so wonderfully, i used it for myself and because
it got expensive i bought the "silvergen" generator so i could make
it by the quart for the price of a gallon of distilled water.
Sovereign Silver is respected on the silver list i joined in which
experts who make and sell silver argue the details of the industry.
It has a large website, a phone number for questions, and is sold at
whole foods and vitimin shoppe(about $10 for the 2 oz, $30 for the 8
oz). Next to that tool, the baking soda in our kitchen dissolves
the "recipe" in the ulcers. Probably,our best efforts work best with
a good sense of humor, i certainly appreciated yours, thanks for
sharing, it lifted my spirits. Im feeling rediculous being at this
point of my life, my face full of holes removing ulcers with baking
soda has become my new job, my teeth are full of holes waiting for
my face to just be done so i can get fillings without causing the
dentist to pass out in fear. My clothes are full of holes because i
spent all the money to make christmas happen for the family and put
off shopping for myself....which is not pleasant as i dont want to
scare anyone i know running into them at the store. We need the old
tv show to come back... anyone remember "queen for a day"...and pass
around the crown amongst ourselves for all this bizarre mystery
dumped into our lives that requires such tedious and ponderous
efforts. I want to peal it all off and throw it to the wind. My new
years was spent talking to my daughter who was in the er having the
miscarriage of my first grandchild. She said, oh mom, all this black
stuff is coming out. That in light of our discussions of black
specks re-lights the fire and fight in me to continue to fight and
keep the faith,that our children and grandchildren will have answers

justumn... please... no windex....

a year or so ago when I was really really bad I had a lot of the symptoms you describe, and I wasn't thinking very clearly. I took baths in bleach water. Once I sprayed myself down with windex first. Now, rationally I know that bleach/ammonia is very poisonous but because I was so desperate, I ignored that. All it did was make me very sick. It will only reduce your already weakened immune response to put chemicals on or in your skin. Suave green apple shampoo has a safe form of ammonia compounds in it. It does react with whatever is i the lesions. (you can smell ammonia in the shower when it does.) Using this soap on my body has helped a little and is a safe alternative anyway.

I still think low carb is the best thing one can do. Really good oral hygeine is important too.

Mucinex daily 2 tablets am and 1 pm helps keep all the mucus draining and keep it thick and protective in all your mucosa. It has kept me from getting that ill again, I would bet money on that. Up to now, I have been treating the outbreaks with ionic silver topically and in nasal passages eyes and ears and under the tongue. There are some questions about it's safety, but as I use it for short periods only, I haven't had a problem with it. some use it more frequently. Also you can buy tetracycline at petco, brand name is Marcel, for treating aquariums. It is safe to ingest, and the dosage is 500mg 2 or 4 times daily, for at least 7 days or until symptoms are gone for 48 hours. This has kept me ok so far. I am not going to self treat anymore, for now, because I think if i can wait until it gets pretty bad and go to the doctor, i have enough info to get some real help. At that time I may have better advice, if my theory pans out, i'll be reccomending long term abx for all
who seem to fall under the category i do. Hang in there with me... maybe I can get some answers.
justumn <justumn@...

I don't have any suggestions so far about what works, although I am
reading through everyones helpful tips and am excited to fight the
battle better equiped.
_I do know a couple of things that don't work.
1)Dragging all your bedsheets, covers, pillows and mattress out in
the middle of the nite and beating the living bejeebras out of them.
2)opening up your lesions and spraying windex on them. I got that
from the movie "my big fat greek wedding" Actually I may try that
again.
3)The paranormal group I joined on line were supposed to be able to
think outside of the box, so felt I would at least be heard. But after
introducing myself and explaining my experience, they kicked me off.
4)Totally wrapped myself in plastics in bed. The last time I did that
I was one of the fools that read 'Total Woman' and that was one of
assignments. Come to think of it, I got a rash from it then. Just to
be on the safe side, I sprayed a generous portion of windex onto the
plastics. Because I feared mine might be caused by demons, I also had
a few bibles packed in with me along with some old silver coins to
keep the dark forces away and doing the eagle feather and sweetgrass,
sage etc to clean the area. I'm here! Gives you an idea of how well
that worked. So for now, I will speak little and hopefully learn much
justumn

Dana
Haven't tried Windex but have tries some other things that made me
sick. Guess we probably all have. Your post is very interesting and
I was wondering which Abx work the best? I'm on c+Salt, Lowcarbs and
Cipro (twice as day) but still getting liaisons. Would love to find
one that works better... Thanks... Zip

I don't have any suggestions so far about what works, although I am
reading through everyones helpful tips and am excited to fight the
battle better equiped.
_I do know a couple of things that don't work.
1)Dragging all your bedsheets, covers, pillows and mattress out in
the middle of the nite and beating the living bejeebras out of them.
2)opening up your lesions and spraying windex on them. I got that
from the movie "my big fat greek wedding" Actually I may try that
again.
3)The paranormal group I joined on line were supposed to be able to
think outside of the box, so felt I would at least be heard. But after
introducing myself and explaining my experience, they kicked me off.
4)Totally wrapped myself in plastics in bed. The last time I did that
I was one of the fools that read 'Total Woman' and that was one of
assignments. Come to think of it, I got a rash from it then. Just to
be on the safe side, I sprayed a generous portion of windex onto the
plastics. Because I feared mine might be caused by demons, I also had
a few bibles packed in with me along with some old silver coins to
keep the dark forces away and doing the eagle feather and sweetgrass,
sage etc to clean the area. I'm here! Gives you an idea of how well
that worked. So for now, I will speak little and hopefully learn much
justumn

When I first came down with Morges, as we now know it. I, like you
had major itching of the scalp and face. Like probably you and
everybody else, I went to the doctor and he prescribed permethin
cream for scabies. Of course, this didn't work so next he sent me to
a dermatologist who gave me a prescription for eurax cream. The
eurax actually stop the itching for short periods of time, which
helped. When I want back to the dermatologist he said to continue
with the eurax but to take a double dose of ivermectin, which I did.
After the dose of ivermectin believe it or not, my symptoms totally
disappeared and they stayed away for about a year. Thinking back, I
feel I might have been able, at that point, to keep them away had I
continued to take the ivermectin once a month or so. Now however,
the chance is lost and ivermectin doesn't have very much effect. I
do however; think that if you take ivermectin early you stand a
chance of riding yourself of this... Zip

what do you think is the best way to treat them in these areas?
I feel like I have a bad cold but I believe it is the morgellons, it is
sore inside my nose and I have a deep cough.
I also have a lot of pain in my legs and ankles. I am trying a lot of
things that you suggest but can't seem to get rid of the large sore on
my face, had a few on my legs that I did manage to get rid of.
I do think the vitamin C and salt are helping some, I don't seem to
have so much biting.

Before you make the leap to nano and bio technology used as weapons, (which i'm sure is possible and at least in the works) consider the possibility that what you are seeing as glitter could be a crystalline or granular byproduct of infection. In otherwords, an elemental substance and not a life form, per se. The geometric shapes in nature tend to be. Let me try to tie it all together real quick.

By the way, this is speculative.

I'm basing this on the assumption that actinomycetes (or similar organism) has infected and created channels throughout my body. I have good reasons to assume this and soon, I think I'll have proof. The glitter you described as gold at least once sounds startlingly like the sulfur granules of actinomycosis. These granules don't actually contain sulfur and can appear as other colors, but they are called sulfur granules because they are often yellow. Grey was mentioned, and I have yellow ones that contain blue or black specks, making them look green sometimes. This would likely depend on the specific identity of the companion organisms that go along with this kind of infection. Actinomycetes create the channels, but the companion organisms contribute to the specific symptoms, explaining the diversity of symptoms that fall outside those most often described. Actinomycetes most often infect the cervico-facial area, from there moving to the thoracic, pulmonary, and abdominal
areas, but less frequently they begin as pelvic, abdominal, or pulmonary, depending on original point of entry. Swallowing them can cause gastritis. It can infect the bowel, pelvic, and urogenital systems. It can cause nerve and brain/spinal cord abcesses. It WOULD leave holes like swiss cheese in one's gallbladder (patram). It definitely COULD cause ANA's in the bloodstream due to chronic infection. Basically, it could cause almost all symptoms I have read here. From there we jump to autoimmune disease. I have not been able to find out specifically if actinomycetes are a cell wall deficient bacteria or not. I have looked but haven't found it yet. At any rate, the companion bacteria might be. If Dr. Marshall is right, then that explains that link. I DID read a study that looked at a connection between Sarcoidosis and actinomycetes. A very high percentage of sarcoid pts cultured were positive for actinomycetes. I also emailed an opthamologist describing my visual problems and
begged her to hazard a guess. Her respones was 'possibly sarcoid or tubercular (which is an actinomyces)' Actinomycetes provides the doorway to any number of infections, including yeast/fungal, but it requires a doorway itself. I would reccomend that all of us think really hard about whether there might have been such an opportunity in our medical history. Miss daisy, you for sure. The common ways I read about were dental abcess, periodontal disease, surgery, injury... basically anything that could break the defenses and allow inoculation. Also, immonusuppressed patients, AIDS, autoimmune, (I think this a chicken/egg sit.) CANCER... Intranasal drug use or chronic sinus infections could even allow it. I haven't seen any mention of actual fibers with actinomycosis, though they do form filamentous branching structures as they grow. (I think this is what I have been seeing as worms or larvae in my skin) What I feel and see (the large ones) move under my skin are probably
granules that have been surrounded by fluid as I try to fight th