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I had one on my chin a couple of days ago, through a 10x magnifying mirror it was wiggling its tail in the air. In 4 years it was my single worst moment with this affliction. There is no way I had the guts to put it under my microscope. It's one thing to know they're there and remove (white stuff), to see them move is horrifying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry you had to go through it too dear. Hopefully we've been through the worst of it. All the best, Barbara

http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf
It's actually fun and addicting ..... maybe keep our minds off of
feeling like we all have MD!!!!
wendy

Man, I wish I could tell you how to do it???? I'm telling you back in
August I had a black shiny glistening "worm" exit my right arm just
above my elbow. It must have been 1/4 " long AND was inching like an
inch worm. AND YES I GOT SOOOO FREAKED THAT I MOVED AND IT FELL OFF
ME, NEVER TO BE FOUND AGAIN. I was outside sitting in the sun when
this happened. I had been the "itchiest" I had ever been and was
rubbing my arm when there it appeared as I watched.
We do sound cracked and freaky for sure, but if you have
the "evidence" you have it!!!!!! Take that specimen to your doctor
that seems so interested and see what happens??????!!!!!
wendy

OKAY, I have had a spot on the end of my nose which has been a pain to deal
with for some time now. Its about the size of a pencil eraser, and varies in
condition from appearing like a dry, scaly patch of skin, to then having cracks,
to then literally having the top layer peel back leaving the red, oozy tissue
and fibers underneath. For the last two days my body has been having a fiber
freak-fest. Consider it an illegal holiday rave in which, it would seem, all
the fibers in my body have been drinking and partying a little too much for my
comfort. I am not sure what has caused this, but for example, the night before
last my eyes and hands were really itching and burning. About halfway through
the evening, I happened to glance down at my finger nails, and they were COVERED
with fibers. No balls woven together, but thousands of individuals......and
some of them were VERY active and squirmy. That freaked/grossed me out a little
bit, but whatever. Well, last night I was taking off my makeup with a
pre~moistened remover wipe and my nose started gushing blood. I looked and of
course, that damn spot I thought might actually go away had sloughed right off
into the wipe-no scrubbing or pressure needed. So I am standing there, applying
pressure to staunch the bleeding when I notice something long, thin and
worm-like suddenly protruding from the skin. I grabbed my tweezers and plucked
it out and let me say once again, just when I think that NOTHING about this damn
disease will shock me anymore, something does.
Under 60x magnification it would appear that what came out of the skin is some
kind of frigging mutant worm!!! It is red in color, but has what appears to be
four white "appendages" which were all moving for quite some time while I
examined it. The legs end in what remind me of crab or lobster claws, and they
were opening and closing, (I am getting freaked out just describing this), and I
swear to GOD the hair was standing up on the back of my neck!!! I am a REALLY
scientifically curious individual, but I almost couldn't bear to look I was so
freaked, (like the time I was ten and found a cat that the neighbor had just run
over. I went to see if it was alive, but when I got over to it I screamed
because its eyes had popped out from the impact of being hit. I still wanted to
look, morbid curiosity, but I was too squeamish at the same time. Does that
make sense?). Anyway, this THING is about 4-5 mm long, so it is not microscopic
by any means. The surface of its body seemed to be covered in little bumps,
almost similar to scales on a snake. By that I mean they didn't look random,
they were all symmetrical. Last but not least, the body got smaller and smaller
as it got toward the tail end, where it curved into what looked like some kind
of hook. That one part is similar to the other worm thing I found.......holy
shit! That came from the same spot on my nose!!! ( You will remember I was
saving that to have my friend the Anesthesiologist take it to have a Pathologist
look at it, when I accidentally dropped it down the sink drain!)
I've got this sucker on a wet slide and I'm not losing it this time!! I WISH I
had ANY way to photograph it so you all could see it!!! Does anyone have any
CHEAP suggestions? I want to do it today, before it goes to the hospital. (if
you never hear from me again, you'll know the tests weren't good, and would
SOMEBODY PLEASE hire some mercenaries to find my location, as I'm probably being
held in a government quarantine awaiting execution. You know, so know one ever
has proof Morgellons exists.....). BTW, that last rambling, hypenthetical area
is A JOKE.........at least for anyone who doesn't know my humor, that is.
Anyway, how can I get a picture of this thing to post for you guys? I'm dying
for you to see this thing!!!
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I just wanted to report that I'm one of the folks who had been clinically diagnosed with Lyme and treated last summer. I haven't tested positive on the Lyme titus at all.
Anyway, I've been on antibiotics for rosacea, but have been recently trying to wean myself off. I wonder whether becoming symptomatic again is related to the antibiotic issue? I do recall that others had experienced that. I feel generally SO much better when I'm on the antibiotics.
Any of you Lyme folks on this list still experiencing lyme symtpoms? How do we know that MD isn't what late Lyme actually is?
I had three weeks of antibiotics last summer, started a month after I would have contracted Lyme.
By the way, thanks in advance for any responses. I'm uncertain as to how much email access I'll have for a while.

I think that it's true that whatever anyone's religion, we've got to remember to celebrate life -- even while we're healing. Be good to ourselves -- and to others. Do meaningful things.
krazycyberfool <Hartkingsley@...

My Dear Friends,
We may spend a great deal of time and effort thinking about and dealing
with our unique problem BUT never let that stop us from remembering to
make LOVE a priority in our lives.
I celebrate Christmas... yet no matter what holiday you might take part
in this time of the year I wish you all PEACE, JOY, HAPPINESS & LOVE.
Thank you all for being here and being willing to share openly. Let us
seek the Love and unity together that will help us all to find comfort
and maybe even a cure.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
BE LOVE & BE LOVED!
James

My Dear Friends,
We may spend a great deal of time and effort thinking about and dealing
with our unique problem BUT never let that stop us from remembering to
make LOVE a priority in our lives.
I celebrate Christmas... yet no matter what holiday you might take part
in this time of the year I wish you all PEACE, JOY, HAPPINESS & LOVE.
Thank you all for being here and being willing to share openly. Let us
seek the Love and unity together that will help us all to find comfort
and maybe even a cure.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
BE LOVE & BE LOVED!
James

Of course, since I said that I was feeling better, I'm itching today! And my face hurts!

I hope the combo of drugs you are taking rids you of this. If there
are no complications, and you think they are helping maybe your
doctor will keep you on them longer than ususal.
Please report to us if this handles it for you and what the names are
of the drugs, if you will.
(Not that I will take them, but it is good to keep a record of these
things.)

cooler weather is helping somewhat,but I live in n.c. and it has been 70 degrees for the past week so I have seen the bugs around and had some crawling sensations. I have also had a lot of nausea and vomiting for about the last month. anybody else with the nausea? I have it everyday.
ritainthelibrary <ritainthelibrary@...

Are you well enough to shop & see the lights in the cities and in the
neighborhoods? Does cooler weather help your symptoms?
Be Well
Rita

I will be celebrating the holidays in NY!!!!! Me and my dog Sydnee
will be flying Jet Blue on the redeye Christmas Eve and "become
presents" for my mom and my sister on Christmas Day!!!! I will be
away for 3 weeks ..... coming back to CA January 13th ..... I
probably won't be on here or pretty much "off" the internet for that
time .... It will be like going to a desert island or up Everest!
I will feel so out of the loop ..... Promise not to talk about too
many important things????? :) oxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
wendy

That must be so horrible. Is it related to night terrors?
Does anyone else here have this?
Rita

This is going to get a little out there, and as of yet I have no idea
if it relates to morgellons at all but I want to ask anyway and see
what I get back, if it is a commonality or not.
I have sleep disturbances that have occured with increasing
regularity from my teenage years. I dream that I am awake, and do not
realize I am still asleep. I cannot move, focus my eyes, call out for
help, and sometimes feel that I am having trouble breathing. When
this happens I am terrified, I feel (when it is happenning) that
something bad is with me in the room and is keeping me from being
able to fully awaken or fall completely asleep because it feeds on my
fear. I have awakened from these dreams still being able to feel the
place it was pressing on my chest. Because I am just that kind of
girl, I called it my wraith.
I researched this today and found that it is a very common sleep
disturbance, and in folklore it was often described just as I have
experienced it, called names that mean things like "ghost pressed
bed," "ridden by the hag," or "demon sitting." In native cultures,
those who experienced these dreams would be the shamans or spiritual
guides. In some religions these dreams are attributed to a force that
attempts to prevent those who are nearing enlightenment from
attaining it.
The interesting part is that in certain people, especially creative
folks,(artists, writers like sylvia plath) the sleep paralysis and
false awakenings are symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy, possibly
caused by damage to the hippocampus. These aren't convulsions but
seizure activity that may cause altered states of consciousness,
staring, aphasia, and tactile or other hallucinations. Those who have
these kinds of seizures are prone to hyperreligious beliefs, religous
euphoria, heightened emotional states both euphoric and dysphoric,
(bipolar anyone?) visions, paranormal experiences, hallucinations of
ghosts, prophetic dreams,(or at least the belief that one has had
them) etc...
I would definitely say that ALL of these things describe me, and
several members of my family as well. I know that my brain works
differently than most. It has been obvious to me that generally
others are unable to identify with me when I talk about this facet of
my personality, that I am in these ways, different.
This gives me something to think about, I'll let you draw the lines
if any do exist. I wondered if the occurance was more prevalent among
morgies or if this is just something about me. I have a suspicion
that at least some of those I have talked with here might identify
with this, and if I'm wrong, oh well. I want to know this thing
inside out, so I have to ask.
If you are interested enough to want to read for yourself, google
sleep paralysis demons, temporal lobe epilepsy, hypnopompnia. I don't
expect that many will, but I find it fascinating, if off topic,
especially because of the correlation between this kind of seizure
and creativity, and this kind of seizure and E.S.P.
Dana

Some suggestions

Drink those Ensure type drinks, marketed to the elderly, in addition to your regular meals. You would probably have to try a few before you settled on the brand and flavor you like.

Eat nuts.

Drink whole milk or start drinking milkshakes.

Eat well over the holidays.

Rita

Are you well enough to shop & see the lights in the cities and in the
neighborhoods? Does cooler weather help your symptoms?
Be Well
Rita

Thanks Rita, for asking about the holidays and how we're all doing. We
went to santa's village to see the lights last week, and my gift to
myself this year is that I am going to eat all the cookies I want until
new year's day. I know that I have the bike Joshua keeps wishing for
from Santa hidden in the closet and the image of him finding it on
christmas morning keeps the spirit alive in my heart. For the last few
weeks I have been doing a lot better, no lesions, no crawling... I seem
to be almost completely back in a remissive state except for the heart
palpitations that are stubbornly hanging on, but also much less than
they were. I think the cold weather does make whatever this is less
active, or at least less active cutaneously. I am just greatful for the
improvement for christmas, the best gift I could have asked for.
Oh yeah, this is kind of an aside, but I'm still losing weight, and I'm
not trying to or doing anything differently. At 114 lbs, I'm still in
the range of appropriate weight for height, but I am down from 138 lbs
two or three months ago, which seems pretty significant to me. Don't
get me wrong I'm loving the skinny mom look, but I'm afraid it will
continue and I'll be underweight. Has anyone else dealt with this or
have any ideas?

We still adore you, Den Mother, and I seem to have a gut that agrees with yours
100% of the time. I felt something odd from his first post, so thank you for
taking care of it.
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TRUE COLORS. What an ASSHOLE!!
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I was wondering the EXACT same thing!! WHY THE STUBBORN BEHAVIOR?? It strikes
me as very odd. There are so many other chat groups, and I personally know that
if my intentions were honorable and I was being pushed away REPEATEDLY, I would
say, "Fine, you don't want my help, see ya!!".
The other similarity is the banning of Richard, and all of a sudden his WIFE
gets online? Remember when you banned Trish, and her Nurse buddy got online and
started defending her spelling, credentials, etc. This is a little bit
unnerving, Rita!!!
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??
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You know, if I were a professional and offered help and it was
rejected, I doubt if I would feel so bitter about it.
And, when the great Morgellons cure comes, it will be all over the
net. He's going to punish us by keeping this secret?
If he is not an exterminator, why is he advertising at the bottom of
his posts to set up a non-toxic pest management program for people?
Just another guy drumming up business.

Rita,
I think you are right in your instincts.
The offer was not 'I want to help you find what is causing this and
to find a cure'.
The message was - I will look, and when I find nothing I will publish
all my work in my articles and also tell Congress about it.
Someone really involved in helping would not say he would post the
results, good and bad, or post our opinions on this forum even when
we are perhaps upset and not toally focused from time to time.
Hey, how much effort on his behalf is going to be required to find
bad things to say about us?
We need people in our ballpark, who are dedicated to finding a
solution.
If he had, in fact, a relative suffering from this, that would be
where he would be coming from, with an offer to help with a solution,
and not saying he would publish his negative findings and send our
rants to his Congress person.
We certainly do not need anyone to help in getting negative things
said about us.

I'm sorry, dear group, that I allowed the insistant exterminator to take so much time and effort. He's gone and hopefully, quiet.

Rita

I have been wondering as to whether people might be getting infected in doctor's offices. Some people call that stuff "sticky," and if you do a search for the word, "sticky," I think that you will see people talking about it.
Since I've been taking antibiotics for rosacea, I haven't seen the hair things floating around. I am so sorry for your grandmother. I hope that you might be able to facilitate her communication on this or other lists. I have found the comfort of talking with other folks who have "been there" to be extremely helpful. Some folks have even found remedies (some of them EXTREMELY risky) that have brought them some comfort.
bugmanholly <bugmanholly@...

Hi everyone,
My name is Holly. :) I have been watching the postings for the last
few days and just wanted to get on to talk. I do not know much at all
about bugs or Morgellons. I also can not write nearly as well as my
Husband my spelling and grammar is something that could use improving. :)
Anyway Morgellons has recently affected my Grandmother. She is an
extremely sweet and smart lady. I was blessed to be raised almost
entirely by her and my Grandfather. She is now in her 90s and my
Grandfather passed when I was still in middle school. She has always
done very well but slowly I have seen her health get worse. She has
eye, heart and blood pressure problems not a huge surprise with her
age I guess. She still lives without much assistance but this may need
to change soon because of her age. I live so far from her and despite
my begging for her to move down to NM I don't think she will so more
then likely she will go into assisted living very soon. :(
About a month and a half ago her problems started. She had her hair
permed and her scalp got burned. She went to the dermatologist and got
treatment for that but shortly after she started to have other things
go wrong. She started to tell me she could see little hair like things
under her skin. First the little hairs were only on her scalp they
then moved inside her ears, face, nose, arms and legs over a short
period of time. She got so upset by these she started to make herself
bleed. She was sent to the ER that sent her to the psyche ward of the
hospital thankfully she was released. My parents took her to a
dermatologist and also to a team off doctors (a physician,
psychologist, dermatologist and I don't know who the last one was)
this made her worse not better. Of course they didn't find anything
and when she asked them to look again they refused.
Along with the hairs she is seeing/feeling this waxy/filmy type of
substance on her face, nose and ears. I haven't seen any one else talk
about this but I wanted to know if anyone on the board has had this
wax type stuff?
I also saw on one post that someone was complaining about swollen
ankles this is very interesting to me. My Grandma has had swollen
ankles for some time but she said since the MD has reared its ugly
head that they have gotten worse. To be honest I didn't think much on
this seeing as she has had the problem for sometime and it still could
be this winter weather is making matters worse.
My aunty was with her right after she was taken out of the hospital.
She did say she saw this rash/ hives on her. My Grandmother believes
it's from the hair type things entering her body.
I can't imagine feeling like this she doesn't deserve this nor does
anyone else. She has lived alone and I know she is lonely I am sure
that that factor hasn't helped her. She is clear and level headed when
she talks despite her age and her being hard of hearing. She is VERY
smart but I really do worry about her as I am so far away and can't
just go see her. We have too many animals with special needs to do that.
Any advice I can give her and if anyone is willing to talk with her
about this it may help her. She is very sweet and fun to talk with. :)
I do believe that there is something to all of this after all this
board has some 2000 members and there is no way in hell that there can
not be some truth behind it. Blessings to you all and I hope each and
every one of you feels better.
Take care,
Holly

This is not a nice guy. Rita
Richard Fagerlund <richardfagerlund@...

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:42:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Fagerlund <richardfagerlund@...
Subject: Re: ban
To: rita borgeson <ritainthelibrary@...
You got your facts wrong again. I haven't been an exterminator in a dozen years. You make the case for delusional parasitosis.
rita borgeson <ritainthelibrary@...

Like an exterminator will be our savior... yeh, right.

People who know people and have any sense, don't mention it.

Get lost, again.

Rita

Isn't this how Trish acted?

Buy from me or you're bad

I have important people helping me

Several of your group are doing business with me.

I'm not going to share with you regardless of the fact that I said I would.

You're keeping the people who have Morgellons in the dark forever.

Seems to me Richard could go on to other groups to sell his bull. As far as I know they haven'[t. Why this group? Why so desperate to make $10? and then when rejected, why so upset? More than meets the eye here. Try finding1cure, Rich. They're more your type.

When you write, try to get a picture of me smiling. Oh and Rich... Any publicity is good publicity.

Smiling Rita

Richard Fagerlund <richardfagerlund@...

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:48:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Fagerlund <richardfagerlund@...
Subject: ban
To: ritainthelibrary@...

Rita,

I don' t mind you banning me. I had over a dozen lurkers contact me and they will send specimens and they will be processed as I outlined. They will be kept advised of the results. I also will be writing about this in my columns which reach over a million people, so the fight to find an answer to the cause of MD will go on in spite of your negativity and paranoia. I did contact my senator and I assume he will help if I know him, and I do, but your group will not get the results because of your narrowmindedness. Keep up the good work and you will keep the people who suffer from Morgellons in the dark forever.

Richard

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Our DVD, "Do-it-Yourself" Pest Management for Home / Business is available.

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-Tell her to apply baking soda on the waxy spots, diluted with water
to get the wax to start disolving. Scrape it off when softened with
something with an edge...like a credit card...so the softened waxy
stuff will lift off. Then re-apply the soda til the wax is gone. I
think the wax creates a "bed" for the fibers to grow in. When the
wax is dry it is near impossible to remove, and is hard to see, but
you can feel it. When it is softened by the soda it is very sticky.
I hope this helps her with something non-toxic and brings relief.

Daisy-party on girl..................Congrats - you deserve it. All the best, Barbara

[INLINE]

I am just a little curious, but could you please mention what the
major is for these grad students?

Hi everyone,
My name is Holly. :) I have been watching the postings for the last
few days and just wanted to get on to talk. I do not know much at all
about bugs or Morgellons. I also can not write nearly as well as my
Husband my spelling and grammar is something that could use improving. :)
Anyway Morgellons has recently affected my Grandmother. She is an
extremely sweet and smart lady. I was blessed to be raised almost
entirely by her and my Grandfather. She is now in her 90s and my
Grandfather passed when I was still in middle school. She has always
done very well but slowly I have seen her health get worse. She has
eye, heart and blood pressure problems not a huge surprise with her
age I guess. She still lives without much assistance but this may need
to change soon because of her age. I live so far from her and despite
my begging for her to move down to NM I don't think she will so more
then likely she will go into assisted living very soon. :(
About a month and a half ago her problems started. She had her hair
permed and her scalp got burned. She went to the dermatologist and got
treatment for that but shortly after she started to have other things
go wrong. She started to tell me she could see little hair like things
under her skin. First the little hairs were only on her scalp they
then moved inside her ears, face, nose, arms and legs over a short
period of time. She got so upset by these she started to make herself
bleed. She was sent to the ER that sent her to the psyche ward of the
hospital thankfully she was released. My parents took her to a
dermatologist and also to a team off doctors (a physician,
psychologist, dermatologist and I don't know who the last one was)
this made her worse not better. Of course they didn't find anything
and when she asked them to look again they refused.
Along with the hairs she is seeing/feeling this waxy/filmy type of
substance on her face, nose and ears. I haven't seen any one else talk
about this but I wanted to know if anyone on the board has had this
wax type stuff?
I also saw on one post that someone was complaining about swollen
ankles this is very interesting to me. My Grandma has had swollen
ankles for some time but she said since the MD has reared its ugly
head that they have gotten worse. To be honest I didn't think much on
this seeing as she has had the problem for sometime and it still could
be this winter weather is making matters worse.
My aunty was with her right after she was taken out of the hospital.
She did say she saw this rash/ hives on her. My Grandmother believes
it's from the hair type things entering her body.
I can't imagine feeling like this she doesn't deserve this nor does
anyone else. She has lived alone and I know she is lonely I am sure
that that factor hasn't helped her. She is clear and level headed when
she talks despite her age and her being hard of hearing. She is VERY
smart but I really do worry about her as I am so far away and can't
just go see her. We have too many animals with special needs to do that.
Any advice I can give her and if anyone is willing to talk with her
about this it may help her. She is very sweet and fun to talk with. :)
I do believe that there is something to all of this after all this
board has some 2000 members and there is no way in hell that there can
not be some truth behind it. Blessings to you all and I hope each and
every one of you feels better.
Take care,
Holly

Grad students / scientists are going to be looking for something new. They would have no interest in just finding a common bug / bacteria / etc. If they find something new, they get to publish their findings in peer-reviewed journals, are more eligible for grants in the future, etc.

Richard
redibooks <redibooks@...

I'm absolutely floored that anybody thinks $10 is a lot to request for
their time and effort in making an attempt to identify the cause(s) of
our varied symptoms. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been to many
doctors and received no help and no interest in finding the cause of
what ails me/us and charged a pretty penny, well over $10. I saw an
actupunturist who works with an African Dr who said he would view my
samples for $200 per sample. I know that many of us are skeptical,
and if you're not interested, then don't take him up on his offer, but
wow, we could sure use a grip and a bit of reality here! Of course
its up to Rita to allow Richard to stick around or not, but bashing
someone, who does have an expertise that could be helpful to us, is
very distressing.
There is the issue though, that if people do send samples and nothing
is found because its something new, not something previously
identified, that could cause us more harm than good in the area of DOP
diagnosis.
k

***********************

Our DVD, "Do-it-Yourself" Pest Management for Home / Business is available.

Go to www.askthebugman.com to order it

I make house calls in the Albuquerque / Santa Fe areas and will help you set up a non-toxic pest management program for your home or business. You can call me at 442-1195 or email me at Richardfagerlund@...

I'm absolutely floored that anybody thinks $10 is a lot to request for
their time and effort in making an attempt to identify the cause(s) of
our varied symptoms. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been to many
doctors and received no help and no interest in finding the cause of
what ails me/us and charged a pretty penny, well over $10. I saw an
actupunturist who works with an African Dr who said he would view my
samples for $200 per sample. I know that many of us are skeptical,
and if you're not interested, then don't take him up on his offer, but
wow, we could sure use a grip and a bit of reality here! Of course
its up to Rita to allow Richard to stick around or not, but bashing
someone, who does have an expertise that could be helpful to us, is
very distressing.
There is the issue though, that if people do send samples and nothing
is found because its something new, not something previously
identified, that could cause us more harm than good in the area of DOP
diagnosis.
k

Also, I forgot to mention that sarcoid lesions appear often in scars,
this definitely happens to me, in old scars as well as the scars from
previous lesions.

PatRam, I haven't dismissed filaria as a causative agent in this
disease, on the contrary, I have seen MANY things that later I found
were symptoms of such, like the evening I witnessed a fine raised
line move under my skin from the corner of one eye across the bridge
of my nose, and concurrently the sensation that a hair was being
pulled through my skin at the site. This was described as a symptom
of onchocerciasis. However I cannot be sure, these symptoms could be
attributed to other things.
I'd like to ask if anyone else has given thought to what Dr.
Marshall theorized. I am not sure that I completely understand it,
but will try to pass on what I beleive him to be saying, and my
resulting thoughts. Please correct me if I am in any way mistaken.
Anti nuclear antibodies in the blood mean that the body has formed
agents to attack it's own cell nuclei. Until now science has not
thought about why the body would attack itself causing an autoimmune
syndrome or MUPS. Dr. Marshall suggests that the body is attacking
not the nuclei of it's own cells but pathogens that hide within,
causing a wide array of symptoms. These pathogens are to a level
protected from antibiotics where they are hiding and return to full
force shortly after therapy is stopped. This could explain chronic
lyme. This could explain a lot.
I zeroed in on sarcoidosis because of the striking similarities to
what occurs with the illness I have, whatever it may be. The numbness
and hardening of skin, the ulcerations, the itching, crawling
sensations are also all symptoms of sarcoidosis. I think that much of
the material I pull from the skin may be these granulomas when they
form cutaneously and ulcerate due to lack of good blood flow to a
small region. It also explains the vision problems I have. It also
explains the chronic sinus infections and pain. It also explains the
asthma and cardiac symptoms I have been having. It explains the
kidney stones. It explains why I may have trouble in an area of the
body for periods of time that go away and sometimes do not recur, or
only recur months later. It explains why antibiotics help, but only
as long as they are taken daily.
I have seen no mention of fibers associated with any of these
things, and so suggest that it is a similar disease process, but
caused by a new or mutated pathogen, or perhaps another organism
(fungal maybe) has learned to infect the cell nuclei as well.
I have read that the fibers were found to be cellulose, but didn't
think the site credible as it cited no source... some one else
mentioned this in the group and I'd like to ask where they got the
information as the place I found it wasn't good enough for me to
accept it as true. If this were credible information, does anyone
know if fungal organisms can be comprised of cellulose as well as
plants? The success some have had with fenbendazole or diflucan leads
me to wonder about that as well. In general fungal infections as I
understand them are not agressive but highly opportunistic, affecting
already damaged tissues most frequently. I wonder if that is what
causes the fibers and they are secondary in nature.
Feedback appreciated and solicited... thanks for helping me think.
I do not know what I would do without this group.
Dana

You can send specimens in small amounts of alcohol, packed in a box or sent dry in a ziploc bag, packed so they don't break. As for what parts, that is up to you. Whatever you see that you feel is abnormal. Fibres, seeds, worms, "black pepper mites", etc. Checks are fine. The correct spelling is Fagerlund, not Faberlund. Generally I can get back to you within a couple of days.

ritainthelibrary <ritainthelibrary@...

Moving forward...
What part of the disease can be sent to you?
How do you want it sent? How packed?
What liquids to send specimens in are acceptable? Not acceptable?
Are personal checks acceptable? Or do you prefer cash?
Should they be made out to Richard Faberlund?
How soon after we send our specimens to you should we look for a reply?
Most of us are novices in medical specimens and almost all of us have
seen enough of life to be a little cynical so, please, be patient.
What is your mailing address?
Rita

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This has been a busy week decorating the house for christmas, the
outside lights up, and the inside tree waiting for me to finish
washing the curtains, windows and walls to add to a festive sparkle.
My "obsession" with removing the fiber bite ulcers on my face with
baking soda, came to the stage this week of waiting as the soda
dissolved the bottom of the bowl of the ulcer. It is gradual because
the white fiber of it is interwoven with the skin. I didnt know if it
would be done day by day...to look good enough to go to my husbands
business christmas party. When i took the bandages off yesterday
(soaked in silver for the night), i was in for a pleasant surprise.
The ulcers are looking almost done healing, so i donned some gay
apparel and went dancing at the party. I thank God, who gives us a
spirit of power and love and a sound mind, for good results coming
forth at a good season to rejoice.

Moving forward...
What part of the disease can be sent to you?
How do you want it sent? How packed?
What liquids to send specimens in are acceptable? Not acceptable?
Are personal checks acceptable? Or do you prefer cash?
Should they be made out to Richard Faberlund?
How soon after we send our specimens to you should we look for a reply?
Most of us are novices in medical specimens and almost all of us have
seen enough of life to be a little cynical so, please, be patient.
What is your mailing address?
Rita

I have been doing bug columns, writing bug books and identifying bugs for many years for people and I have never identified anyone unless they specifically asked to be identified. Nobody will be identified. That is not the purpose. The purpose is to gather physical evidence, recognizable or unrecognizable from disparate parts of the country, etc. to see if we can link any connects via the evidence and the physical symptoms. Not to embarass anyone. As for them swimming in alcohol, that I would be skeptical of, but if so, so what? If they are swimming when they get here, that is a true scientific discovery!

Skin scrapings can be send it small ziploc bags dry. I hadn't thought about them. Make sure you pack the baggie in plenty of cotton so the contents don't get crushed.

redibooks <redibooks@...

I was a little skeptical until I saw that Richard is a foster home
family and he and his family work(volunteer) with the HART
organization. As a long time dog and cat rescue person with 8 dogs
and 5 cats resulting from years of rescue foster work and trapping
feral cats, I'm a little biased.
Richard may be a little quick to want to say DOP but then said his
Grand Mother-in-law has Morgs? What I'm not sure of, how Richard or
anybody else would feel, is giving out real identities. As Richard
said, he's not a Dr. so there's no HIPAA protection and Richard has no
obligation to keep a person's identity private. I would encourage
people protecting their identity and hope Richard wouldn't be bothered
by that.
Another thing a little concerning though is about sending samples in
alcohol, as I've read somewhere that these things swim in alcohol just
like a kid in a pool.
Hope they can come up with something! Richard, what about skin
scrapes? They'd have to be on a slide.
k

I have a question: Is it "safe" sending possible "biozardous samples"
via mail? Also, many have stated the the fibers or the fine strands
of what we are caling "worms" tend to didsintigrate in alcohol.
Aren't there special containers to be used to do this?
It sounds like you mean well and want to help us, but $10.00 seems to
be a pretty pricey charge for those of us who are on fixed incomes,
and impoverished because of all the products we have been purchasing
to relieve our symptoms.
As of late people were taking advantage of my fellow sufferers
selling "cures" and "potions" claiming a cure. Your asking a fee this
early in the investigation just raises a flagg for me as many have
been dooped and ripped off!!!
wendy

I whole-heartedly agree. I want to beleive in the sincerity of his intent, especially as this man sounds to have resources desperately needed by us. I have this vague sense of trepidation that I can't quite name. We need to be cautious, something feels... not wrong, exactly, maybe unrevealed.
ritainthelibrary <ritainthelibrary@...

In spite of the fact that we've seen a few nuts, several snakeoil
salemen and more than one game player, let's assume Richard is what
he says he is.
His introduction leads me to believe more than one of us who pays our
$10 will end up with a DOP diagnosis. I believe I saw a bias toward
DOP. I hope I'm wrong.
What if, as some of us suspect, this is new enough that it hasn't
been catalogued yet? In their eyes that's DOP.
If you pay your $10, do so with a grain of salt. If you receive a DOP
diagnosis don't get upset, email me, let the group know if you want
to.
Let's do this slowly, not all in a rush. To the first who send
samples, please let us know all about it.
Forgive me my cynicism.
Rita

I was a little skeptical until I saw that Richard is a foster home
family and he and his family work(volunteer) with the HART
organization. As a long time dog and cat rescue person with 8 dogs
and 5 cats resulting from years of rescue foster work and trapping
feral cats, I'm a little biased.
Richard may be a little quick to want to say DOP but then said his
Grand Mother-in-law has Morgs? What I'm not sure of, how Richard or
anybody else would feel, is giving out real identities. As Richard
said, he's not a Dr. so there's no HIPAA protection and Richard has no
obligation to keep a person's identity private. I would encourage
people protecting their identity and hope Richard wouldn't be bothered
by that.
Another thing a little concerning though is about sending samples in
alcohol, as I've read somewhere that these things swim in alcohol just
like a kid in a pool.
Hope they can come up with something! Richard, what about skin
scrapes? They'd have to be on a slide.
k

Perhaps I should throw it out to the group... Do you think Richard is
the real Richard and not someone pretending to be him? Do you think
we should trust him? What do you think?
Rita

I apologize for not responding to direct questions to my post the other day. I had so many messages in my in-box I had to unsubscribe. My wife (Holly) set up another account just for Morgellon Disease (MD) messages. Most of the responses to my message were compelling, some werent. I have been following this disease for some time with interest as I get a lot of questions on it. I want to help if I can. I have some contacts that may also be helpful (more later).

One person asked if I would be willing to look at specimens of MD. I thought about that for a day or so and decided it would be very worthwhile for several reasons. Here is how I will make myself available to the study of MD. I will closely examine any specimens sent me. I have microscopes that can clearly see the smallest mites in existence (eriophyids and demodecine mites, for instance). If the samples contain any ectoparasites (mites) or endoparasites (coccidian, etc.), I will curate them and send the mites to one of the best acarologists in the country in Michigan and the coccidia to an expert on that group where I work at the University of New Mexico. If the samples are unidentified fibers, seeds or other material, I will store them in vials of ethyl alcohol and curate them until they can be used. For instance, if we have 100 vials of fibers, it wont be too hard to see if they are all structurally alike and to dissect some sample fibers to examine the inside of
them. Also if they are properly curated, they may be available for DNA sequencing at some point. I will try, after I have enough evidence, to get a biology or medical student to study MD as a thesis, and if so, DNA will help. All of the samples will have a curation number assigned to it. All correspondence regarding that sample will be filed with the same number for obvious reasons. Maybe this will tell us over time if fibers from different parts of the country are similar or different and how closely related they are.

I will keep a completely open mind on MD, but will start with the belief that there may be several similar diseases at work. Some may be caused by ecto- or endoparasites while others may be a physical reaction to pollutants or pesticides as I alluded to in my last post. A small proportion may be delusional. I wont rule anything in or out until all the evidence is in.

I will examine any specimens anyone wants to send and curate them as noted above. I will contact you with whatever I find, positive or negative, and I will give you the curation number of your specimen. All specimens will be stored at the Museum of Southwestern Biology at the University of New Mexico so they dont get lost.

One person also said that the CDC was supposed to be investigating this but isnt very active. I find that a misuse of our tax dollars. This is serious enough it should be taken seriously by our government. Along that line I am going to send a copy of this letter to Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) and Rep. Tom Udall (D-NM) and will follow up with more data as it develops. I realize they wont have time to personally read all the correspondence, but I am going to ask them to have staff members read it and give them the pertinent data. Then I will ask them two things. 1) Instruct the CDC to take this seriously and start studying the evidence, 2) Instruct the EPA to require that all inert ingredients in pesticides be tested and listed on pesticide labels. I still believe they may be the cause of some of the cases of MD.

Some of the cases that are pesticide related may be due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS). I am also going to involve Dr. Ann McCampbell in the entire process. Ann suffers severely from MCS and may have some insight in MD. Ann and I served on the New Mexico Precautionary Principle Task Force this past summer.

Why would I do this? Because I can. J. What would I charge? I identify insects, arachnids, mites and other arthropods now for the pest control industry and the general public. I charge $10 per sample. I would charge the same for identifying MD samples. I also have a pest management consulting business along with my work at the university. My wife and I operate an animal rescue foster home. We are part of HART (Homeless Animal Rescue Team) and we are a 501c3. All of the money I make from insect identifications and consulting goes right back into our animal rescue work. Any money generated identifying MD samples will go to the same place. I will not be buying a Mercedes with the money..Right now we have 14 dogs, 27 cats, three horses, four goats and a donkey, all rescues. So, whatever I do for MD wont be wasted. If you send samples, please send them in any kind of alcohol. I will transfer them to ethyl alcohol. If you send them dry they may break in shipment. Send
them to me at PO Box 2427, Edgewood, NM. Please include the small fee, an email address where I can contact you or a stamped self-addressed envelope. I will also put a page on my website (www.askthebugman.com) about MD. I do get a fair number of hits there as well.

Also, as a columnist, I will write about it in my columns and try to educate the public a little, particularly the medical profession. My editors estimate I have a million or so readers every month, so I can get the message out a little at a time. If you want any more information on me, you can GOOGLE me and you will get thousands of hits.

I am very curious about MD and if I can help I will. My wife Hollys grandmother has MD and she may get on and tell you her story.

I will use this new email address only for MD and related topics. All messages will be kept on file so we can look for a pattern.

In any event, have a great holiday (Merry Christmas).

Richard Bugman Fagerlund

In spite of the fact that we've seen a few nuts, several snakeoil
salemen and more than one game player, let's assume Richard is what
he says he is.
His introduction leads me to believe more than one of us who pays our
$10 will end up with a DOP diagnosis. I believe I saw a bias toward
DOP. I hope I'm wrong.
What if, as some of us suspect, this is new enough that it hasn't
been catalogued yet? In their eyes that's DOP.
If you pay your $10, do so with a grain of salt. If you receive a DOP
diagnosis don't get upset, email me, let the group know if you want
to.
Let's do this slowly, not all in a rush. To the first who send
samples, please let us know all about it.
Forgive me my cynicism.
Rita

I too have had swelling ..... swollen ankles, all that numbness in my
feet and hands ..... It has gone now since taking the fenbenazole!
wendy

-From my side of the "see-saw", just to offer up how i see this from
the path im on, i would think of the clothes being worn...were they
new(and had a coating of fibers used in manufacturing), was the
laundry soap chemicals at fault, did they go thru the dryer with
fabric sheets, did you go somewhere in those particular clothes and
brushed by some clothes that were covered in these fibers, and just
one got on the pants, broke in pieces and quietly made its way thru
the garment and attached itself to the skin, nestled in, seeped a
toxin, and so began a fiber bite. See, none of this would be
visible, none of this would be your doing. All discussion
aside...just your knowing about it empowers you to remove and
reverse it. This is what i see, this is what i saw. -- In

Re:
or exertion to cause me to sweat, compared to others with me at the
time. I have had the feeling that my sweat glands were clogged over
a large area and building up fluid under the skin. I have no way to
know if this is accurate or not.
Response:
That's really interesting. I had some kind of buildup of fluid, too, but I forget whether that was before or after the Lyme symtpoms.

I have to say that I, too, have found some rooms of some houses to be very itchy. In fact, there were some rooms of an apartment in which I had lived in which I would feel a biting feeling on my body -- and then my eyes would get blurry. I do know that it was eventually discovered that the apt. had mice, and I have wondered as to whether the mice might have brought something in. Other rooms in the same apartment did not cause these symptoms.
r

Re:
If the initial problem was caused by mites, the continuing problem
may be the result of some bacterial, protozoal, amoebic or other
infection carried by the mites.
Response:
Richard, is there any chance that you might be able to analyze specks that people might have around their house or lint fibers -- to see whether they look like anything else that you have seen? Or would looking at photos help?

Dear Richard "Bugman,"
I want to first of all thank you for bringing your questions to the group. I think that given the media coverage, which has consisted of quotes by physicians and "officials" which appear to have gone uninvestigated, it is understandable that you would have the assumptions that you make. That is, even a recent People Magazine article quoted a physician, who labelled the issue one of "delusion," though there was no reference made to the physician even having seen one Morgellons patient. In fact, I think that it's fair to say that many of the folks with Morgellons would like to see more science in the practice of "medical science." Although looking under a microscope replaces guessing with science, too few physicians are willing to look under a microscope.There is another, extremely important and related issue -- which is that of the Center for Disease Control. A bit later, when I send the email with media links, I will also include the telephone number for the Center for
Disease Control's Morgellons line. Although the CDC has been claiming in news articles to be investigating, there is no evidence of any work being done. Until a thorough investigation takes place, doctors have little to go on. The Morgellons Line for the CDC refers individuals to their local physicians, but as most could guess, a physician acting to treat a disease as yet unrecognized would be taking a sizeable risk in terms of their own reputation. What those of us who care about the issue are asking for is science -- in assessing the problem and the extent of the problem; in addressing the question of how widespread it is with broad, deep study; and perhaps, in all fairness, I would like to see an organization independent of the CDC pursuing these questions.
Since you work with pests, I was wondering as to whether you might have any knowledge of the Lyme tick? Many people who have Morgellons symptoms have also tested positive for Lyme. Are there other pests that can cause Lyme-like symptoms?
I thnk that it's really great that you care about this issue, and I hope that this concern can be channelled into work on behalf of solving the Morgellons problem. To find a solution, there is a need for experts in many areas -- and advice that you might offer to those trying to make their homes more comfortable would be most appreciated.
I hope that you will understand that many people with Morgellons are extremely physicially ill (including one very famous athlete, who left an extremely high paying job when his whole family got sick), people have spots on their bodies, lesions all over the place, issues with the health of family members and social lives, etc. I think that particularly given the kind of media that has surrounded the Morgellons issue, people are very frustrated. I think that you will find (does anyone know the link?) the report during which a fiber was coming out of one woman's mouth while the film was being broadcast to be rather revealing. Was it ABC or Fox? I truly hope that with an increase in knowledge about this terrible disease, you will find compassion for people with Morgellons and a commitment to solving the Morgellons problem.
You mentioned guesses about pesticides causing some of the Morgellons symtpoms. What kinds of pesticides? Does that include topical pesticides for infectious illnesses?.

I'm sorry, but the two idiots that posted on that link were so moronic that I
couldn't even read the entire post. This chick, smileykins, attributed all the
BIZARRE shit she described to being DEHYDRATED? She isn't even aware that
Morgellons fibers have been analyzed and compared with every know fiber in
Quanticos Lab. She referred to them as textile fibers. As for her supposed
boyfriend, he was a Meth addict!! I have a huge problem with people lumping is
together with Meth users, or implying a correlation. The reason I was called
a Meth Addict by the ER Doc, without an exam, of course, is because Meth users
chronically stay awake for DAYS at a time with no sleep. Ever since Cocaine and
Meth came into use in the 70s and 80s, there has been a phenomena known as
tweeker bugs. It is when someone has been using consistantly over a multiple
day period and begins to hallucinate. The most common hallucination is that
where bugs are coming out of, or crawling under the skin. The user, in a panic,
begins picking and digging at the skin, trying to get them out. This is why you
see pictures on the evening news of Meth Heads who have sores all over their
faces in their mug shots. I have never used drugs, and I get too much sleep
anymore. This is why I get SERIOUSLY PISSED when people who are active Meth
users say they have Morgies. It doesn't help us to be taken seriously, that's
for damn sure!
The only good thing I saw on the link is that they only had 33 total responses
to their, "Stories".
Again, I am tempted to say, "DUH", and move along to something that makes at
least a LITTLE sense.
Blah, blah, blah!
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld

Okay I have to ask, because I have to know. There may be a
connection here for me because I worked and lived in places where
meth users and possibly manufacturers lived, I cleaned up the messes
they left behind, and was possibly exposed to residue left behind. I
have to know if anyone here has ever used that substance. I know you
will not want to admit publicly something of this nature if you
have, but I need to know. Please E-mail me privately and I swear by
all that is honorable and holy that I will not ever disclose names,
if information is given to me I will pass it on without betraying
this confidence, as statstics only.

I appreciate your concern. But please Sir.. i am telling you that we are not delusional. Trust me.. Morg patient gets really offended when they hear " This is not a real disease".

Yes we would appreciate for all your help.. getting some research done...getting some eye brow raised....

and no thank YOU for your time.
rita borgeson <ritainthelibrary@...

THIS IS NOT PSYCHOSOMATIC!!!!!!!!!!!

Rita
group owner

http://of-morgellons.blogspot.com/
This shit pissed me off to no end. There's the morgellons-meth
connection. They both describe incredible illness yet say morgellons
doesn't exist. I don't care what you want to call it. I'm sick. I
want answers. No wonder no one listens.
The reason I posted this link is that they both said something I
have noticed yet haven't really delved into.
1. I also no longer sweat easily or freely, It takes an extreme heat
or exertion to cause me to sweat, compared to others with me at the
time. I have had the feeling that my sweat glands were clogged over
a large area and building up fluid under the skin. I have no way to
know if this is accurate or not.
2. I also have trouble regualting body temp. I do not run fevers,
but feel very hot and flushed when those around me are not, or cold
when others are warm.
It is insane to think that any of the things described by the
female,"smileykins" were in any way normal. They are a disease
process, and I don't care what you call that disease. Perhaps the
male was just experiencing things that are normal for a meth addict.
I wouldn't know.

Richard,
It is good of you to at least express a concern over this and to
offer your opinions, which are very interesting, but unfortunately, I
think, in most of our cases, not entirely correct.
I think many people who have this Morgellons syndrome and felt biting
have used insecticides to irradicate the biting things from their
homes. But the biting came first, then the pesticide.
After a bit of time many realize that what the nerve endings are
perceiving as biting are coming from under the skin.
Delusional people, it is commonly believed, are calling for some sort
of attention. I am a happily married woman and others here have
families and are not your typically lonely isolated individuals who
use this method to get some sort of validation.
On top of this, those of us who have tried worming medications have
shown really remarkable improvement. These drugs do not list altered
consciousness as one of their side effects, last I saw.
But more heads are better than fewer. Please continue to keep us and
our problems in mind, and to help in finding a solution.

Richard, thank you for taking the time to address MD. I contacted this parasite and it is a parasite in Tucson AZ. My contact with pesticides was extremely minimal. I was in constant contact with with the water they take from the sewer system and recycle to water the golf courses. I am almost certain that is how I became infested with the parasite that is being referred to as Morgellons. I am a healthy, educated women and am not imagining my symtoms. If you truly would like to help this group, the focus should be on where the organism is coming from, what it is, and how to kill it. All the best, Barbara

Good morning,

I am not sure if I believe Morgellons is a true disease (as in a virus or bacteria) or the physical result of an outside source. I get 50 or 60 calls about this sort of thing every year. I have been referring it to delusory parasitosis and that may in fact be true in some cases. However, it is expanding to the point I am getting four or five calls a week (I am a pest management consultant, author and syndicated columnist). You can GOOGLE me for any information you want.

I have had people tell me about black pepper mites, a mite that does not exist. I am beginning to suspect that maybe Mogellons is caused by overexposure (or any exposure in sensitive people) to pesticides in the air. Many of the people who contact me have their homes sprayed by a pest control operator, even though it is unethical for any professional pest management person to spray pesticides without a target pest. I believe the pesticides then exacerbate the problem and may cause the symptoms people describe. There is no doubt that pesticides can cause physical malformations in some biological cells and they may cause the worm-like structures or black seed like structures seen by some people.

I am beginning to believe that maybe someone should examine the homes of people who suffer from MD to determine if there are pesticides present. Most pesticides now in use have been inadequately tested. This is obvious by the fact that many are recalled after years of use because they are now determined to be carcinogenic. Possibly, all of these pesticides are causing the dermal conditions that folks with Morgellon's relate.

Many of the folks who get this disorder are over middle age and live alone. Part of it may be psychosomatic, but they can also have a naturally impaired (through age) immune system and may be more susceptible to foreign materials such as pesticides. Every person who has contacted me who has delusory parasitosis or Morgellons disease has been exposed to pesticides, either through self use or by an outside contractor. I have never had anyone who does not use pesticides and avoids them contact me with this disorder. I would be interested to hear if anyone on this list is in that category. Possibly other pollutants are responsible, or contributory.

If this sounds reasonable to you, let me know and maybe we can open a few eyes and get some research done to substantiate or refute this contention. After all, who knows what are in those "inert ingredients" in the pesticides and what damage they can do. Inert ingredients are not required to be tested by the EPA although I suspect they should be.

Thanks for your time,

Richard "Bugman" Fagerlund

Sorry. She's banned. I tried to figure out where she was coming from
but I couldn't find her. Rita

Rita,
What is this crap about menopause and now miscarriage? Do the spammers have new
tools to hit the message boards?
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld

I was totally unimformed. I had no idea that they were experimenting
with splicing genes trying to make it more virulent, all without the
least concern what might happen to humanity if one of their dangerous
experiments went wrong. I highly suspect that is what happened to
cause the lyme disease to appear.
I still don't have the knowledge to understand how something that is
part live and part synthetic can live. ???
I'm more of an artist type than a scientist type. ha!
Fortunately, I do have a long background in nutrition and health
foods, vitamins, and herbs.
I was able to keep myself alive after being mis prescribed
antibiotics for what the doctors termed "non specific bacterial
infection". They gave me 3 months of the most powerful new
antibiotics, and it nearly killed me. I ended up with a systematic
fungal infection, and was sick for years. FOS was what finally
cured me of the fungus. That's a type of sugar that friendly bacteria
thrive on, and bad bacteria don't like.
I had a dream about pulling out a long fiber that was alive. Most of
my dreams fade away, but I can't forget this one.
My feet are the most infected, then my scalp.
I tried garlic oil on my feet, and tons of black lint like stuff came
out.
Then I tried soaking my feet in a trash can filled with very hot
water and enzymes,
and then after they were really hot, switched my feet to another
trash can filled with ice cold water.
I did that a few times.
A couple days later, I emptied the water and was supprised to find
tons of tiny black specks at the bottom of the white trash can.
(the other trash can was black so if they were there, I couldn't see
them.
I touched the water before realizing that the water was not infected,
and had to treat my hands and arms again.
I just took a piece of scotch tape, and touched the bottom of the
white trash can.
Then, looked at is under a 10x magnifier.
There were billions of tiny lint like fibers and numerous much larger
colored chunks. Blue red, etc.
My wife really believes that we only have dermatitis. She even saw
sores worse than ours under dermatitis on the internet.
I figure that we just have the beginning phase of this aweful
disease.
The main difference between my wife and myself, is that I have been
reinfected many times because the garage has been a source of the
infection, and I am the one that must get things out and
everytime I have gotten reinfected.
I disinfect my shoes by placing them in the microwave for 2 minutes,
turn, 2 minutes, turn and 2 more minutes, for a total of 6 minutes.
You must use shoes without metal in them. I also spray them with
silver and grapefruit extract water, lavender, etc.
Warmest,
Randy

I have in the past had unbeleivable amounts of granules leave the
skin, both intact and in lesions. They were mostly black or nearly
clear, but also infrequently blue/green or rust colored. I do have
hardening of the skin especially on calves and face. These areas are
slightly less sensitive to touch, feel as if there were a layer of
something just below the surface that I cannot feel and does not
belong there.

I "dated" a man from the British Army that was in the Gulf War ....
He had some lesions on his back and at the time and I "assumed" he
had a little acne????? I also went out with a computer-hacker working
for our Government in the Middle East during the begining of the War
on Iraq ..... He and his whole group came back here to the States
loaded with hookworms!!!! He told me that the treatment was just
awful!!!! I don't know what they were all given, but he told me that
they were all very ill.
That was over 4 years ago, and I have had this for almost 3 years!!!
I was also subjected to tons of mold at the last house I lived at ...
but I really do believe that I have Lyme and Morgellons .... blessed
with such a wonderful combo of infectious agents!!!!
wendy

Hey Janet!
I'm glad I made you laugh, or smile at the very least, with my GERM reference.
My sense of humor has a tendency to run toward the sarcastic the majority of the
time, not the cheesy!! I honestly had no intention of making a veiled joke,
but once I re-read my ending notation, I decided to leave it because it DOES,
unfortunately, fit the situation entirely too well!!
I believe you commented last week on People magazines EL-LAMO article on our
plight. GOD! They could have done so much more.....AND WHY DO ALL THE MEDIA
OUTLETS KEEP QUOTING THE ASSHOLE FROM U.C. DAVIS?!! I would be willing to go
out on a limb here and guess he has NEVER examined, (note my use of the word
examined......not seen. I'm sure the pompous, know-it-all has SEEN Morgies
patients), a single sufferer in his practice. Oh, my bad! Maybe he
has......just long enough to write the ol' script for ANTI-PSYCHOTICS!! Anyway,
I digress....I was wondering if you noticed the wording of the CDCs statement in
the final paragraph? Dan said, "While I'm sure there are some delusional folks
included in the numbers who claim to have this disease, IT DOES NOT EXPLAIN ALL
OF THEM. These people are carrying a significant level of stress over this.".
(that was a VERY loose quote, but it was similar to that).
I am always heartened by any change in wording from the government toward
acknowledging this illness. I know its gonna happen....because I've got some MD
Ass to kick once it does!!
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I haven't had lesions or broken skin for a long time but, I think, somewhere in this group's past are posts with pictures of blue, red, clear, white and black stuff. I don't know where though.

Rita

I had tons of tiny lint like fibers exit my feet after rubbing Eclectic Garlic oil all over my feet and legs, and then put on white socks.

I had a terrible buzzing around my ankle which is gradually getting less.

I would like to know if anyone has had any light blue granules come out
of any wounds, or anyof loss feeling and hardening skin around the
lesions.

Where on the CDC website, or in its many publications,
is there any evidence of an investigation into a fiber
disease? They might be calling it something other than
Morgellons, but I have not as yet found anything to
suggest that scientists or physicians have begun to
investigate. Am I missing it? Does the CDC usually
announce investigations in its own news sources? There
have been announcements of the investigation being
made for at least several months. Therefore, they must
have written it up somewhere. The only news that I
have been able to publicly find is the news reports
interviewing Dan Rutz and the CDC Morgellons line
referring patients to "local clinics." However, there
must be a rule requiring that they announce
investigations. Is there any evidence anywhere that
any work has been done? Also, when was the CDC first
alerted? How? (Case study definition was from last
year...Morgellons Org site Feb. 2006)

Having been educated in Dentistry, I think I would pretty much DIE OF SHOCK to
find out that Morgellons is related to, or caused by, any kind of material used
for oral restorations. The majority of dental materials used for the last
decade in this country have been focused on biocompatibility. I'm not sure what
you mean by, "Toxic Sealants". As a rule, sealants are a simple resin material
which, after the permanent molars have been gently etched with a very weak acid
to promote bonding, is painted over the occlusal, or biting, surface of the
teeth so that the deep, virginal grooves are filled in. They are then cured
with a light. Because the grooves are difficult to get entirely clean, by
filling them in, you hope to keep from having to remove decay from them later.
Speaking for myself, as well, I have had no Alloy fillings, and have very nice
teeth genetically. I'm not at all prone to decay....yet here I sit with this
damn disease as company. SUCKS!!!
Oh, I know a lot of you have gardened, but I've always had a BlACK THUMB, so I
don't think that works for me either.
Call me silly, or Willy, or Billy for that matter, but you did strike a cord
with me when you mentioned Gulf War Syndrome. You just HAVE TO KNOW Saddam had
some VERY interesting Bio-Engineered monsters he was funding at one time. I
also read, (with an open but critical mind), a VA Docs report on how he first
started seeing this rash when the FIRST Gulf War Vets came home from Kuwait and
Iraq. If you look back on Gulf War Syndrome, (UH, WHICH AS IT SO HAPPENS THE
FEDERALES SAID AT THE TIME WAS PSYCHIATRIC IN NATURE......), it had some VERY
disturbing and broad symptoms included in the symptom set.
Any thoughts tonight, Ladies and Germs?
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1. I was beginning a career in wedding planning, and I purchased tons
of fresh flowers and brought into my office. Most died before I tossed
out. Soon after, my airconditioning became full of black mould, and my
secretary could smell a distinct ordor.
2. infected waterfall spray
3. Columbola on plants outside infested inside of house
4. Tons of flood mud
5. 2 friends had sores on face
6. Infected service men (seems that many come back with similar disease
according to one doctor.
7. Ticks in Hawaii
8. Mouldy air conditioner
9. 12 new cavities filled with a possible toxic sealant

Blessings to you and "the little guys". All the best, Barbara
daisybaleen <daisybaleen@...

-Now, youre sounding like my kids, God Mom...just shut up about the
silver! I am on a path alone, that began on the floor face down,
crying to God, please help me help the dogs...something is very
wrong, show me what to do. My family and friends dismiss, and
disrespect the hours of tears and prayers and research that have
brought me to this point of observation. My choice of silver, the
many returned bottles to health food stores until i got what i
determined was the best and found it in town(i would never use nutra
silver), the wonderful help it gave in reversing the dogs skin
problems over months of being bent over them with a headlight
flashlight and fine tooth comb....it is an amazing tool and i thank
God for it. When i couldnt find what i was seeing on their skin on
vet sites, i took a break and found out about chemtrails, that led
to learning about the mystery skin disease. It sounded like what i
was dealing with on their skin. When i found the article called HOW
to find mystery chemtrail fibers by sue miller....it was the dogs
who ran to me outside when i tried looking at the enviorment to
disprove the article with a blacklight...it was the dogs who were
covered in these fibers...not the grass. That led to using the
blacklight inside and finding fibers everywhere, and on my clothes
and skin. It was scary. I then saw how the fibers anchor into skin
pores....and now i find baking soda disolves the ulcers or fiber
bites as i call them. I have reported my findings here, not to
offend, or convince, or argue, but to vent, and perhaps find anyone
else who has been on this particular, strange, lonely path i find
myself on. Thank you wendy and others for listening, questioning. In
my world, i stand alone, looking like an idiot who maybe lost her
mind on the floor several years ago praying for the dogs. When my
neighboors dog comes for a visit( he is our grandpuppy who is 9
now), i get down on the floor with him, treat the ulcer on his rump
that makes him limp, with miracle aloe to open it, baking soda to
draw it out, silver to protect it from infection, and i thank God
for all i have have learned. When i walk him home, and his lawyer
dad opens the door, I stand there inferior in knowledge, self
conscious in appearance, full of words unspoken...and i give the dog
a kiss and he runs happily, inside, his limp almost gone. As i walk
home i wonder...what is this path i am on, where does it lead to?--

And like your children, we care about you! Sometimes, for our own good, we must
observe each other's findings, discuss them, challenge them and bring them out
of the darkness and expose them to a GLARING light. It is BECAUSE we each spend
so much time within ourselves, fighting this battle alone, that we must be very
careful not to allow certain treatments or behaviors that may appear to be
helpful in the beginning, become all encompassing obsessions which do much more
damage in the long run. I too, have worried about you harming yourself more
with the hours of self treatment, Dear. You truly are a sweetheart, to accept
our nagging with good humor and wit. You know by now that we mean well........
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-Now, youre sounding like my kids, God Mom...just shut up about the
silver! I am on a path alone, that began on the floor face down,
crying to God, please help me help the dogs...something is very
wrong, show me what to do. My family and friends dismiss, and
disrespect the hours of tears and prayers and research that have
brought me to this point of observation. My choice of silver, the
many returned bottles to health food stores until i got what i
determined was the best and found it in town(i would never use nutra
silver), the wonderful help it gave in reversing the dogs skin
problems over months of being bent over them with a headlight
flashlight and fine tooth comb....it is an amazing tool and i thank
God for it. When i couldnt find what i was seeing on their skin on
vet sites, i took a break and found out about chemtrails, that led
to learning about the mystery skin disease. It sounded like what i
was dealing with on their skin. When i found the article called HOW
to find mystery chemtrail fibers by sue miller....it was the dogs
who ran to me outside when i tried looking at the enviorment to
disprove the article with a blacklight...it was the dogs who were
covered in these fibers...not the grass. That led to using the
blacklight inside and finding fibers everywhere, and on my clothes
and skin. It was scary. I then saw how the fibers anchor into skin
pores....and now i find baking soda disolves the ulcers or fiber
bites as i call them. I have reported my findings here, not to
offend, or convince, or argue, but to vent, and perhaps find anyone
else who has been on this particular, strange, lonely path i find
myself on. Thank you wendy and others for listening, questioning. In
my world, i stand alone, looking like an idiot who maybe lost her
mind on the floor several years ago praying for the dogs. When my
neighboors dog comes for a visit( he is our grandpuppy who is 9
now), i get down on the floor with him, treat the ulcer on his rump
that makes him limp, with miracle aloe to open it, baking soda to
draw it out, silver to protect it from infection, and i thank God
for all i have have learned. When i walk him home, and his lawyer
dad opens the door, I stand there inferior in knowledge, self
conscious in appearance, full of words unspoken...and i give the dog
a kiss and he runs happily, inside, his limp almost gone. As i walk
home i wonder...what is this path i am on, where does it lead to?--

-I got some alfalfa tablets at walmart and put one in a bowl of hot
water and soaked my hand for "a tad". I looked at it with my tv
microscope and didnt see anything coming out of my skin. I collected
some of the almost dissolved alfalfa-from the bowl and put it on an
ulcer. The only thing that i noticed happening was that the green
coloring turned the facial lesion green as it went into the ulcer.
The other ulcers on my face have a reddish hue.....no, im not going
to make half the ulcers green for christmas colors on my face. OK,
how is it that someone had such a wonderful success for the last 4
months with alfalfa? Its pretty messy to work with...could this have

ANA- antinuclear antibobies, or anucleated antibodies, something
like that... means that there are antibodies in the blood stream
without nuclei, they generally point to an autoimmunity
The immunoglobuin E is the name of the test, it's a blood screen for
the levels of that particular substance, I haven't really looked
into what that might mean specifically in the body, but I remember
reading somewhere that many morgies do have elevated levels of it. I
think it's another marker for autoimmunities but can also signify
infection parasitic or otherwise. I'd have to go back and look it up
again... I don't remember finding anything helpful the first time I
looked into it.
I would think that somewhere in the midsts of being diagnosed with
ulcerative colitis you would have had one or more of these
screenings. It may be helpful to request copies of your bloodwork
and records and to go over them carefully to look for these things.
I haven't been specifically diagnosed with any auto-immune disorder,
I have just had the docs say that the bloodwork could indicate one,
that it is likely a vascular collagen disorder like lupus or
scleroderma, and that on average I can expect it to take ten years
to get that kind of diagnosis. But I already know that none of them
fit, they almost fit, but not quite, as far as I can tell...
At least I have never seen mentioned in any of them that I would
have chunks of material passed through my skin.
Sulfides... no allergies here, actually bactrim has been one of the
antibiotics that has helped me.

I think that I have the fibers growing inside my left ankle. This is
the foot closest to my computer. I even would rest my foot on the
computer.
Anyway, it started with a few bites and grew into a buzzing like a
bee hive. I had some activity on both sides of my ankle. They seemed
to communicate, and it felt like a static electricity, until they
became interconnected. My right ankle would even start buzzing with I
got it close to my left one. I suspect that buzzing feeling is the
fibers growing. Crazy as it sounds, whatever it is seems to
communicate.
I tried garlic oil on my foot for 3 days, and tons of tiny lint,
almost too small to see came out onto my white sock.
Then, Nutribiotic grapefruit seed extract (very powerful antifungus,
antibacteria, antivirus), NutriSilver, and Salicylic Acid.
All helped some, but none could kill it out.
Then I took (hospital antiseptic) Benza Chonium cloride and applied
it to the skin (DermatechRX also uses this in some of their skin
formulas). I left it for 1 hour, then washed off.
I then soaked in hot water bath with 2 oz. enzymes for 1 hour. My
skin got red.
Then put on really hot shoes. (I microwave my shoes 2 minutes, then
turn, then again for 2 minutes and then turn, and again for 2
minutes. 6 minutes total. And spray with silver, grapefruit seed
extract, and other things.)
It definitely helped, but I don't think it is totally gone yet. It
may have even moved to other parts of my body.
Diet definitely is involved. with sugar, starch, processed foods
definitely make things worse.
Eatting lots of vegetables definitely helps me.
I am also drinking NutriSilver as I have heard people getting better
using it. It supposed to drive them out of your body.
I soak in ECO vie. It improves my skin condition.
I use DermatechRX sulfinex Cream on the sores. It heals them pretty
fast when they are small.
I use Salicylic acid on my scalp to heal sores.
DermatechRX sulfinex Cream also works, but seems to give me a
headache. (Maybe it's killing stuff in my head?)
To sterilize my environment, I made up a mixture of essential oils -
garlic, tea tree oil, grapefruit seed extract, NutriSilver, vinegar,
salt water, Lavender, sulfur....more...
Next I am going to try Glyconutrients-Nutratose brand.
I have problem areas arms, feet, eyes, nose, ears, back of ears, back
on spine lost of large bumps, tiny bumps on chest. some crawling,
some biting, some small sores which so far, I have been able to heal.
Lots of crawling after eatting too much desert.
I am trying to eat Goji berries which is supposed to help sweet
cravings as well as many good nutrients.
If you try any of these things, left me know what works for you.
Randy

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Hi again everyone, thought I'd lost your message board as I have not
recieved any e-mail for the past month! Anyways I never did do much
posting on this site, mainly on lymebuster is were I became brave
enought to post, however its been awhile since Ive even gone back to
there message pages. I just needed a break and I was getting info
every day from this group so I simple absorbed more information than
I would put out. Im tired, really tired of no solution and no anwers
from our so called medical professionals. You see they already know
whats up! they have to act dumb just like the CDC. This is a bio-
weapon, man/government made, except whats happened is the weapon has
become strong than its creator!!!! So.... thyere just as freaked out
as we are, because they too will be infected!!!! NOT IN THE PLAN!!!!
Ooops.... I have had this since Dec. 2004 and have seen with my own
eyes, and my own photos, which is open for public viewing at

It looks like the fibers.

I just want to clarify what I am referring to regarding medical responsibility issues. If this online report i